Well, the thing is, all other fandoms suck. *angelic smile* So hating all other fandoms is the natural corollary of that.
(I wrote a little more about this here and here, if you're interested.)
Summary is, I'm not a "fan" but a person who really loves HP, and I hate the way being on LJ ropes me into dealing with so many fandoms. I've never felt the slightest interest or desire in joining another fandom or reading another fandom's fic ... which is why the end of HP is really the end of a lot of things for me.
LOL, New!Ginny right there is sort of emblematic of everything I don't like about HP and refuse to trust. A world in which she's considered to be a wit is one where I can't rule out anyone else being one, because she's so relentlessly unfunny and annoying that I can't trust JKR's opinion on anything. Sure, she might think Draco's a moron, but then she repeatedly presents Ginny as being funny, so her view is null and void!
AHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Yeah, I hate New!Ginny, too. HBP in general was a huge disappointment for me ... not the Snape plot twist or Draco development, of course, but just about everything else starting with the way Harry dealt with (or, rather, didn't at all deal with) Sirius's death.
I understand the conclusions you're drawing from JKR's writing of Ginny (it's funny that I've actually read decent, believable Harry/Ginny, just NOT IN THE BOOKS), but I guess I view it more as a blindspot or aberration rather than a reflection on her writing as a whole. Either way is valid, though.
JKR determines stuff like morality on who you are, not what you are
Um, yes. :( Have to agree with you there, although she does make room for exceptions now and then. Tom Riddle's backstory was such a huge disappointment -- rather than him making a conscious choice to be REALLY MEAN AND EVIL, he was a sociopath from birth! I'm not going to say that's not realistic (I do think many sociopaths are born, not made), but it was a terrible dramatic choice and the way that Dumbledore just automatically gave up on him was quite chilling, I thought.
Getting back to Draco ... it's interesting what little details people will focus on. For me, those two scenes in CoS that show Draco being browbeaten by his dad and expecting his goonies to laugh at his lame jokes are really telling. Others will pick up on other things, I guess. (I'm really racking my brain for an example of Draco sounding like Spike, but I guess some people see it.) Anyway, I think we're basically in agreement:
I sort of think of him as a goof who gets trapped in this more fanon 'sophisticated' (it's hilarious when people call it 'aristocratic' wit, like upper-class people are incredibly dry and not the worst boors around - look at Prince Harry!) thing, but I don't think him not being the latter stops him being the former (and the latter would pretty insufferable in a kid, imho - Snape pulls it off more because he's an adult, but all the teenagers in HP are on a similiar kind of level - git, Phlegm, Potty, poo...)
But writing him all the positive way and ignoring the jokes that bombed, the failures to persuade people, and the times when he completely lacks possession and flips out; is just as dull as insisting he fails at everything and has no redeeming qualities like some SQ fic.
Yes, absolutely, although initially I thought you were dissing the writer SqeakyClean (who's awesome), and it took me a minute to realize you were writing about the Sugar Quill! Oh, those wacky fandom acronyms! ♥
p.s. don't you guys have a community where you rip the books to shreds and point out all the lameness and inconsistencies? i'd love to read that, if possible.
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Re: *has verbal diarrhea*
Date: 2007-04-04 12:48 pm (UTC)(I wrote a little more about this here and here, if you're interested.)
Summary is, I'm not a "fan" but a person who really loves HP, and I hate the way being on LJ ropes me into dealing with so many fandoms. I've never felt the slightest interest or desire in joining another fandom or reading another fandom's fic ... which is why the end of HP is really the end of a lot of things for me.
LOL, New!Ginny right there is sort of emblematic of everything I don't like about HP and refuse to trust. A world in which she's considered to be a wit is one where I can't rule out anyone else being one, because she's so relentlessly unfunny and annoying that I can't trust JKR's opinion on anything. Sure, she might think Draco's a moron, but then she repeatedly presents Ginny as being funny, so her view is null and void!
AHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Yeah, I hate New!Ginny, too. HBP in general was a huge disappointment for me ... not the Snape plot twist or Draco development, of course, but just about everything else starting with the way Harry dealt with (or, rather, didn't at all deal with) Sirius's death.
I understand the conclusions you're drawing from JKR's writing of Ginny (it's funny that I've actually read decent, believable Harry/Ginny, just NOT IN THE BOOKS), but I guess I view it more as a blindspot or aberration rather than a reflection on her writing as a whole. Either way is valid, though.
JKR determines stuff like morality on who you are, not what you are
Um, yes. :( Have to agree with you there, although she does make room for exceptions now and then. Tom Riddle's backstory was such a huge disappointment -- rather than him making a conscious choice to be REALLY MEAN AND EVIL, he was a sociopath from birth! I'm not going to say that's not realistic (I do think many sociopaths are born, not made), but it was a terrible dramatic choice and the way that Dumbledore just automatically gave up on him was quite chilling, I thought.
Getting back to Draco ... it's interesting what little details people will focus on. For me, those two scenes in CoS that show Draco being browbeaten by his dad and expecting his goonies to laugh at his lame jokes are really telling. Others will pick up on other things, I guess. (I'm really racking my brain for an example of Draco sounding like Spike, but I guess some people see it.) Anyway, I think we're basically in agreement:
I sort of think of him as a goof who gets trapped in this more fanon 'sophisticated' (it's hilarious when people call it 'aristocratic' wit, like upper-class people are incredibly dry and not the worst boors around - look at Prince Harry!) thing, but I don't think him not being the latter stops him being the former (and the latter would pretty insufferable in a kid, imho - Snape pulls it off more because he's an adult, but all the teenagers in HP are on a similiar kind of level - git, Phlegm, Potty, poo...)
But writing him all the positive way and ignoring the jokes that bombed, the failures to persuade people, and the times when he completely lacks possession and flips out; is just as dull as insisting he fails at everything and has no redeeming qualities like some SQ fic.
Yes, absolutely, although initially I thought you were dissing the writer SqeakyClean (who's awesome), and it took me a minute to realize you were writing about the Sugar Quill! Oh, those wacky fandom acronyms! ♥
p.s. don't you guys have a community where you rip the books to shreds and point out all the lameness and inconsistencies? i'd love to read that, if possible.