Just saw X-Men and oh my god, how slashy was that movie? I can't even imagine what people must be doing with Charles/Erik. So smart. So tragic!

OMG, Charles/Erik! I hate sounding like that much of a shipper but omg, Charles/Xavier! I feel a bit bad for Mystique in a way. I love her, and I always found her relationsihp with Erik interesting in the other movies I'd seen (which didn't include the third one so I may be missing something) but it always seemed like it was a little unequal. Not in an offensive way, but it a way that really played out in this movie. Erik gave Raven something so important to her of course she's always going to love him. It's just that's the way Erik's always going to feel about Charles. Dude touches the lightest part of his brain and finds things he thought he was destroyed by losing forever.

Before seeing the movie I'd read a lot of comments about racefail in the movie and in my head I'd made up this whole theory of how it was really saying something intentional about that time period. Like, it totally makes sense that the pro-human team in the end is a bunch of white guys because the central relationship of the movie is Erik and Charles whose philosophies are formed by their experience in life. Charles has spent his life privileged in every way and really can't imagine that people won't accept him if he just shows what a good chap he is. Erik grew up not only as a minority but as a minority in a period where bigotry against that minority was at its most intensely violent and cruel. Charles is an idealist, but that could make him a visionary. Erik is a realist, but that can make him what he hates. Since the X-Men team is all about trusting (if not defending) the status quo, naturally it's attractive to those who the status quo has been good to all these years rather than those who were already on the outside of it.

Anyway, it would have been a nice theory. Unfortunately the actual movie just seemed like bone-headed casting. Really, of the two non-white characters one is the first to sign up with the mass-murdering Nazi and the other dies nobly to give the white guys somebody to say they're avenging and then forget about? You couldn't switch actors with Havoc or Banshee there? And Angel's defection can't help but look like a contrast to Raven when there's only two girls and they seem so physically contrasted. Hell, if I was Raven I wouldn't feel that great about teaming up with Angel. Whose background as a stripper, btw, didn't seem to bring anything to her character at all.

So those were my main thoughts. Oh, and January Jones was very badly miscast imo. She has a brittle, childlike quality that works wonderfully for Betty Draper but seemed exactly wrong for this character.

Which is not to say I didn't really enjoy the movie. The flaws were more painful because of the good bits. I like the way the premise creates something for all the characters to react to differently and discuss without it seeming like it's trying to show off that it's having a discussion about Issues. The question of mutants is one that's believable important to every character in a much more personal, complex way than the physical threats that usually happen in action movies. Even while it's going on the battle with Shaw never seems half as important as what the reaction to the X-Men winning that battle will be and one-on-one scenes really do come across as more gripping than action ones even when the dialogue is on the nose ("They were just following orders" or "You look beautiful now"). And the way the most important relationships play out and eventually disappoint and fall apart all makes perfect sense given who the characters are and even more importantly what their life experience has been. (The lives lived by Erik, Charles and Raven made it inevitable that they would never see the same world as each other.)

Errr, does anyone have any recs for particularly good Charles/Erik, btw?

From: [identity profile] ava-jamison.livejournal.com

I have this weird thing where I have suddenly started to mix up January Jones with this sexy lady: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbv8p1YfJbI I have no idea why.

Did you go in with an understanding of X-Men? Because I'm screwed if you need that to get the story.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com

LOL! Nope, not January Jones.

I don't know the comics at all, really. I've seen two of the other movies. But you definitelly don't need any knowledge like that to get the story, especially in this movie where it's starting from the very beginning.

From: [identity profile] ava-jamison.livejournal.com

I think she's a little earlier! Did you hear Kevin Bacon on Wha'd Ya Know? this weekend? I can only say this smugly b/c I was on the way to the nursing home and also I have not seen X-men movie one two or three so I am trying to compensate. I'm out of the movie and cool loop right this minute but I heard an NPR thing recently!

Kevin Bacon was pretty funny, is all I'm saying.

From: [identity profile] roisindubh211.livejournal.com

oh YES. I saw it with my fiance and couldn't say anything about teh slash because the teasing would never ever end. (not because he's mean, but because he knows I have a ridiculous crush on Ian McKellan after seeing him play Magneto.)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com

Something tells me Ian McKellen would be pleased with that!
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From: [identity profile] mildlunacy.livejournal.com

So, worth watching, then?! I dunno why I had such low expectations except that it seemed to not be so good with the first X movie and then just get worse, though Charles/Xavier has always been my thing, except for the whole old people thing haha. And (I admit) the non-sexualness of Charles. Except for his brain, I'm sure that's still hot. Xavier isn't telepathic, is he? haha.

Oh man. I was going to see Super 8, maybe, once I finish writing my super-late term-paper (or it kills me). I'm kind of wishing for the latter. But anyway. Doomed love!! How can I quit you.
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From: [identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com

Yeah, the movie is worth watching

Which is why the racial politics of the movie sucks so hard because everything else is spot on. Vaughn made a wise decision by casting Fassbender and McAvoy as the leads. They have the acting chops, and their story just bleeds of the screen.

I am still thinking about this movie - and I've watched it twice.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com

Re: Yeah, the movie is worth watching

That was my experience too. The racial politics stick out like a sore thumb when so much of the rest of the movie seems to work so organically.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com

Definitely worth watching, I thought. And since it's years before the last movie it's probably not continuing whatever it did.

I was all over Charles in this movie, I admit. I realized about halfway through that he's pretty much adult!Will Stanton from The Dark is Rising in my head so James McEvoy is pretty much living in my head now. His non-sexuality just gives Erik a challenge to get him out of his fluffy sweaters and awkwardness around people not wearing clothes.

From: [identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com

This is my x-men favs list (note, I've been in this fandom since X-3, so a lot of these are not First Class fics) http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=skull_bearer&keyword=X-Men%20Slash%20links%2Ffics%2Fcool%20stuff&filter=all

Otherwise, there's a great rec list of First Class fics here: http://erik-charles.livejournal.com/516.html

I've written a few myself, if I'm allowed to self-plug ;)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com

You can totally rec yourself here--I love it! Thanks for the list I will definitely read. The only thing I've read so far is something someone posted on my tumblr dash last night and I liked it a lot. It's anon from a kink meme: http://1stclass-kink.livejournal.com/806.html?thread=6694

From: [identity profile] skull-bearer.livejournal.com

If you wish to risk the pit o' voles, my fics are here: http://www.fanfiction.net/~skullbearer
So far for X-men I've got Strip Chess, which is exactly what it sounds like. Ghost, which is a horror-fest maim-a-thon which starts with 'rocks fall, everyone dies' and goes downhill from there. And Past Tense, which ate my life and spat it out in a rather different shape. It's very AU, very weird and extremely dark, and is bad if you find Holocaust stuff triggering.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com

Thanks! As it happens I just read Ghost because it was beneath that one that was recced on my tumblr. Still shivering over it--wow!

From: [identity profile] ishtar79.livejournal.com

Sorry for jumping in so late, but I've been restraining myself on clicking on your xmfc posts for what feels like forever!

Erik gave Raven something so important to her of course she's always going to love him. It's just that's the way Erik's always going to feel about Charles. Dude touches the lightest part of his brain and finds things he thought he was destroyed by losing forever.

THIS, so much. Normally I giggle at single emo tear scenes of manpain, but someone would have had to be made of stone to be unaffected by that scene.

ITA on all your comments on race and gender fail. It's doubly frustrating as someone who has read or at least skimmed all X-related comics, because I can think of character substitutions that would have made the whole thing so much less offensive.

And yes, the character stuff far eclipses the battle stuff in terms of narrative importance. It's what the X-MEN comics do at their best too, which is why I'm such a fan of the franchise.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com

I'm so glad you're clicking now!! I've gotten into some really cool discussions abuot it different places about how everybody's wrong in it. I've heard exactly that about the racefail--this isn't a franchise lacking in alternate characters here, guys.

I keep telling people that what I'd really have liked would be if at least at the end of the credits we would have seen Darwin come back together, alive and well. Bring him back, guys!


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