Glee is one of the weirdest shows on TV, I swear. On one hand I can’t follow it like a real show because it’s so inconsistent, but otoh it’s fascinating watching what stuff they throw at the wall every week to see if it sticks, seeing what strange ways people will behave this week and how it contradicts the strange ways they behaved three weeks earlier. Sometimes an episode will seem even weirder than usual.

I thought last night’s show was one of those.

It’s the big ep people had been talking about where major couples have sex. Which means we’re going to watch Glee ruminate on “first times” and of course that’s going to be just a mish mash of things.

We start off with Artie acting like an idiot. Seriously, the premise of this ep was just so strange. They’ve got 2 days until their production of West Side Story goes up and he tells Rachel and Blaine that it’s a play about sexual awakening and have either of them...? Because if they haven’t gone whatever they consider “all the way” then how can they play Tony and Maria?

Where to even start with how strange this scene is. First, WSS is not about sexual awakening. It’s part of the story, but it’s hardly a play about sex the physical act. Second, why conflate “sexual awakening” with “not being a virgin” anyway? Whatever experience Rachel and Blaine do or don’t have—and they both have some—they’ve both “awakened” sexually since they have and have acted on sexual desire. Virginity gets invested with a lot of symbolic things in the world, and this is just really more of that. You’re not hibernating or non-sexual until you have sex. Rachel and Blaine are both in relationships with a person they love. In some ways they’ve got more personal experience to draw on for Tony and Maria than Artie does, since Tony and Maria are more about *not* being with someone you love than being with them.

Then there’s the fact that why would this one aspect of Tony and Maria—that by the end of the show neither is a virgin—be so important that Blaine and Rachel must recreate it off-stage, when the many other ways they are different from the characters is actable? Artie isn’t suggesting that Blaine will have a problem with not being Italian, or in a gang, or having never been in a rumble. He’s not suggesting Rachel ought to emigrate to a place where English isn’t the first language or that not being Puerto Rican might make it hard to relate to Maria's feelings on being Puerto Rican.

In fact, Artie’s sudden interest in the off-stage sex life of his stars is even more ironic given that for years it was considered a given—and many people still consider it a given—that gay actors need to stay closeted because no one will buy them in a straight romance if they’re known to be gay. Since Blaine’s openly gay, plenty of people in the audience are probably going to assume (correctly) that he’s never had much experience with a girl, or much wanted any. Using Artie’s (bad) logic one could argue that he can’t truly portray a boy passionately in love with a girl at first sight if he’s not attracted to women.

Basically, Artie was just putting peer pressure on two kids to have sex and shaming them for their inexperience. Which btw reminds me, didn’t Artie have some late freak out at Brittany where he accused her of sort of stealing his first time when he found out she’d slept with a bunch of guys? (Iow, Artie eagerly consented to sex and then blamed the girl when he wanted a do-over--it was her job to not tempt him with sex outside of love!) Now apparently we learn she was calling him by the names of those guys while they had sex. Not sure where the surprise was.

Artie is pressuring and shaming them in front of two teachers, though, so obviously this will be nipped in the bud—but no! Because those two teachers are Emma and Bieste who, being virgins themselves, apparently don’t feel they have the right or are too embarassed to comment.

Um, wait. Isn’t Emma the head of the chastity club? Hasn’t she in the past been almost *too* eager to tell people they shouldn’t have sex? Why is she running away from the subject this week? And why is Bieste running away from it? Sure she might not have Emma’s obsession with keeping kids “innocent” (ew) but as a teacher she shouldn’t have any problem telling Artie that it’s none of his business what his stars do off-stage. But no, she, too, is just tongue-tied in the face of Artie’s sexual experience!

Artie turns to Bieste for support for his theory. Since she doesn’t agree with him, he divines that she herself is a virgin. Because you couldn’t possibly have sexual experience and think he’s being silly. (Note: You actually can.)

Which brings us to another thing that made me uncomfortable: Bieste’s story. I love her, and I defended the whole “first kiss” thing with Will because unlike some others I didn’t think it was insulting for her to get the experience of a kiss without it being magical and truly romantic. (Really, plenty of people get their first kiss under those conditions.) But after this ep I’m getting really uncomfortable with the way that Bieste, who comes across as so tough and strong, seems forced to bare her personal insecurities and business to one man after another. It was one thing to confess her history to Will, with whom she has become friends, but now she has to confess it to a random student? So he can take charge of her love life? It’s getting a bit too humiliating for Bieste.

It made the ensuing joke where it turned out the guy she had a crush on had been trying to ask her out for months unpleasant as well. Yet again Bieste winds up being incredibly vulnerable at a moment’s notice. When the scout lays out to her, in no uncertain terms, that he does want to go out with her, she can’t just be quietly joyful, she has to go full Carrie White on him, asking him who put him up to asking her out since she’s not pretty, as if she suspects that it’s a practical joke. A tough character who’s really vulnerable deep down is compelling, but Bieste sometimes doesn’t seem written as having grown a thick skin so much as having been born with a thick (ugly) skin that doesn’t protect her at all.

So neither Emma nor Bieste see anything inappropriate in Artie’s direction to Blaine and Rachel, even on the grounds that if 2 people haven’t had sex in the past 17 years they might not have it in the next 2 days either, so telling them they’re inadequate to their roles is undermining their confidence to no good effect.

And neither do Rachel or Blaine find it inappropriate. Two characters who are canonically almost consistently confident about performing onstage and sex are sent into a tizzy by Artie’s suggestion that what an audience really wants to see onstage is non-virgins. So they both wind up having sex, but the night *after* opening night, which is there to prove that Artie was of course wrong and that sex is a private wonderful thing you don't do for a play yadda yadda.

My feelings on the sex stories, btw, was that neither really did it for me. Finn had one of the rare true emotional moments in the ep when he was passed over by the scout. Finn, of course, like so many young people being under the impression that adults have only two choices in life: Being on TV or Being a Failure. If he can’t be an actor or a football player there is no other possibility for him! It was nice that the sex was in a moment where Rachel was for once reaching out to another person instead of being about herself, but kind of ruined for me by her phrasing it as being about “giving something” to Finn that no one else could ever get because ew, back to all that virginity baggage with it being something you “give” another person, leaving yourself at some sort of loss. I couldn't help but think "consolation prize" even if that wasn't the idea.

Also, frankly, it was hard for me to root for Rachel’s story at all because all I kept thinking was about how the ep would have played if Mercedes was playing Maria, as she should have been. She was in the audience cheering the other students on, though I'm sure the next time it comes up we'll hear how Mercedes never supports anyone because of her big ego.

One other odd moment was I didn't get why they had to lampshade their "risky decision" to stick the Jets into "America." Basically they turned two lines from jokes about racism to racist taunts. I didn't really need a warning. Except for some of the accents.

Blaine’s story was kind of funny for me, because I thought he was adorable in the ep. I'm not big into Darren Criss, but his "because of the layers” was hot and affectionate and fun. Blaine, as we already know, is very capable of being sexy and believably randy. Unfortunately, I have to confess, I don’t feel that way about Kurt. I think he and Blaine are very sweet and root for them in a hearts and flowers way, but I found Kurt a lot more believable when he was confessing he didn’t even want to think about sex, much less talk about it or do it. Which, btw, was not that long ago. Kurt has gotten over a lot that offscreen now that he has a boyfriend.

Anyway, Kurt just leaves me really cold on that front. When he said he’d never been so unattracted to someone sexually as Blaine after one beer, I wasn’t seeing a difference from the way Kurt usually seemed to be. I felt sorry for Blaine—not to the point where I thought he should get away with molesting Kurt or anything, but just in general. I think he could have had a lot of fun with no-strings Sebastian, had he not been with Kurt. Kurt and Blaine have romantic chemistry, but Blaine and Sebastian had sexual chemistry.

Oh, and Kurofsky’s apparently gotten over his homophobia and hangs in gay bars now being a bear cub? Okay.

Finally, there was the interesting conversation between all the girls about their different experiences with sex. Tina had a great first time with a boy she loved and had discussed it with. Quinn’s still turned off the whole idea for complicating things so terribly. Santana can barely contain her repulsion at having sex with men. And Brittany...well, wtf with Brittany? I can only assume they meant to throw in another “Brittany has sex the way she does everything else, for reasons nobody can understand.” But I know I’m not the only one who heard her story and first thought: Brittany was raped. Again, I don’t think that was the idea, but not surprisingly how tone deaf that line was. And Heather Morris’s delivery kind of supported the darker interpretation.

So yeah, that’s Glee on virginity, sounding a bit like Brittany herself, actually. Very confident that it knows what it’s talking about, but actually sounding a little confused and saying more about itself than it is about the subject at hand.

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From: [identity profile] kaiz.livejournal.com


Basically everything you said (with the caveat that I kind of mildly disagree about Kurt), and boy-howdy did Artie's role in the story creep me out. And yeah, I interpreted Brittany's comment as her having been raped, too.

But there were two other sexy teims cases in the show that, gotta admit, I thought were even more bizarre than Kurt/Blaine, Finn/Rache. And that was Puck and the 'cougar' and Puck and Shelby. I mean, wow. First, the 'cougar' decides not to have sex with Puck once she finds out he has a child? Holy pederasty, Batman! And then, Puck/Shelby, WTF?
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


The Kurt thing I fully admit is totally subjective. I still like Kurt/Blaine as a couple, and even if I'm not into Kurt that way, I believe Blaine is so that works for me.

How did I forget about Puck? WTF indeed!

From: [identity profile] grimorie.livejournal.com


Oh god, the Brittany thing. I don't even know if the writers realize what they wrote there and if they did I don't trust them to handle this right and I'm just. Ugh. I thought that the writers finally had a handle on Brittany during the second half of season 2 Now they're writing her so uneven again I don't even know... Checking wiki it seems like this was penned by one of the new writers,which makes this even more anger inducing and disappointing because somehow I thought the new guys would know better!
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


I know! It was just...it's like just tone deafness. Not to get too gender essentialist, but when I heard the line I thought the ep had to have been written by a man. I mean...what???!!

From: [identity profile] go-back-chief.livejournal.com


Your first paragraph really sums up the entire show in a nutshell. I watch it sometimes when I'm bored and it's always with conflicting feelings. On one hand, it's usually entertaining, and what's better than a show with plenty of song and dance when all you're in the mood for is some lighthearted escapism? But on the other, it's so annoying in so many ways that it destroys said escapism... You steel yourself for the stupid that you know is bound to come, but many times that's just not enough.

And now that I've read your summary and I know exactly what to expect from the latest (right?) ep, I'm torn again, because on one hand it sounds like it may actually be so bad I'll have to watch it, but on the other, it also sounds like it's really all of my worst pet peeves with this show all in one episode.

I love her, and I defended the whole “first kiss” thing with Will because unlike some others I didn’t think it was insulting for her to get the experience of a kiss without it being magical and truly romantic.

Well, my problem with that scene wasn't that I thought her first kiss had to be "magical" or "romantic", it was more that that whole episode was so humiliating for her and getting a "pity-kiss" from Will just made it even moreso. Looks like they're continuing down that path, then? Thank god Artie is a student and therefore unlikely to fuck her out of the goodness of his heart. I like her character, too, but that just makes me even more put off every time the show strips her of her dignity. And in the episode you're talking about, it seems like it would have been so easy to let her keep it. Just telling Artie off for being an idiot would have done the trick.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


Sometimes I can't even believe it's on TV because it's so cobbled together and strange. Like even the worst shows usually make more sense, and this one's got more work and money in it! But it's like a trainwreck and you can't look away.

Totally agree on the Bieste thing and even that original storyline. The "romantic" thing was mostly in response to the fact that at the time people were saying how Will was basically wrong for even offering to kiss her because why would she want that kiss? And while I could certainly see it that way too, I didn't have a problem with the idea that the character might just appreciate the experience, even if on a meta level it was just the start of Bieste looking ridiculous. I thought if I were in that situation, for instance, with someone I might offer to kiss them without feeling pity for them. But of course it's Will so you couldn't help but feel like she was looking stupid.

It was really unbelievable that Bieste wouldn't tell Artie off for being an idiot--the woman's the captain of the football team. Has she really never dealt with boys being inappropriate before? But instead by having him basically "out her" just on instict (and I still find it hard to believe that a kid would make that leap with a teacher in this situation) it almost seemed to be validating his original idea, that there was just something that made her inadequate to the conversation. It would have actually been nice if the show had simply had Bieste go out with the guy and then at the end, when there's a shot of them in the audience, have them holding hands to silently tell the audience that hey, Bieste also had sex this episode! But no, Bieste can't have anything happen in her lovelife without a doltish male character helping her out, and without her telling us again how she expects no one to like her because she's stocky.

From: [identity profile] go-back-chief.livejournal.com


Okay, I couldn't resist watching it and wow, what a trainwreck.

Artie totally came across as just wanting to use every opportunity to brag about not being a virgin, no matter how inappropriate it was. (Like you said, why would he even make that leap, unless it was something he really wanted to believe, so that he could feel great about "being more experienced than a teacher"?) I found it really hard to believe that he actually gave a shit about either of these character's virginity, except that knowing about it made him feel superior. And if that had been the intention, that would actually have made sense for his character (especially since he begins the episode admitting to the audience just how much he revels in bossing everyone around), but I suspect that was not the intention, since he proceeded to meddle with Bieste's lovelife, as if he really gave a damn about her. Ugh, he'll make a worse Will than Will when he grows up!

From: [identity profile] ficticons.livejournal.com

Long comment is kind a long, sorry....


They’ve got 2 days until their production of West Side Story goes up and he tells Rachel and Blaine that it’s a play about sexual awakening and have either of them...? Because if they haven’t gone whatever they consider “all the way” then how can they play Tony and Maria?
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Yeah. You'd have thought that if he felt the way he did, he'd have told them earlier. Because otherwise he's not doing his job as a director properly. If having had sex was a prerequisite to having an understanding of/passion for playing these characters, then why did he not tell them that the first couple of times they did the duet in rehearsals? How were their performances then? Not to mention that what he did there was an act of peer pressure (and guilt-tripping) that Emma (the counselor!) should probably have picked up on and shut down. She may have her own uneasy feelings about sex and her own sex life but at that moment, IMO, she probably could have been in a bit more of a "teacher dealing with students" mode. Also, if Rachel hadn't inadvertently told Finn the real reason she wanted to have sex the first time she was at his place, it'd have led to more relationship issues for them later. Basically, Artie was being horribly irresponsible with that "suggestion" or whatever it was.

A tough character who’s really vulnerable deep down is compelling, but Bieste sometimes doesn’t seem written as having grown a thick skin so much as having been born with a thick (ugly) skin that doesn’t protect her at all.
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I wonder about her. She says something about "crying like a girl" being embarrassing and...it seems to me that she might have some issues with expressing weakness and/or what femininity means. Like being "weak" is being "girly" and that's a bad thing that she shouldn't be, yet the footballers should get over their "I don't do dancing/singing/musicals because it's silly/not for me as an athlete/etc" (a point I agree with her on, and like her so much for taking up and opposing). It'll be interesting to see where her storyline goes.

I liked the girls' varying opionions about having sex (and that they had them, and that IMO it made sense for the characters), but yeah, I got the same thought you did about Brittany. I also thought "Wait, what? Did they really play that kind of thing for comedy?" because her experience should not have been one to take lightly (by her or anyone else), WTF.

Oh, and Kurofsky’s apparently gotten over his homophobia and hangs in gay bars now being a bear cub? Okay.
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Couldn't it be character development on his part? I think I agree with Kurt here that as long as Karofsky's not beating anyone up or otherwise making their lives miserable for being gay (like he is) then he can do what he likes, including going somewhere where he feels more relaxed/at ease/whatever.

I agree with you that the second Finn/Rachel sex moment was kind of ruined...by her phrasing it as being about “giving something” to Finn and not just for the reasons you mention but because I had another two words for that situation (instead of your "consolation prize") and they are not that polite. For me it comes down to terrible timing - Rachel went to Finn's place thinking about one thing (or one thing out of a few) but once she heard his story, she probably could have picked another time bring up having sex. Finn didn't seem to mind that suggestion at that moment, but IMO Rachel could have comforted him some other way too and who knows, maybe he'd have appreciated that equally.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com

Re: Long comment is kind a long, sorry....


If having had sex was a prerequisite to having an understanding of/passion for playing these characters, then why did he not tell them that the first couple of times they did the duet in rehearsals?

Exactly. Or make it a prerequisite of trying out (not that he'd ever be allowed to do that). It just makes the whole thing sillier, because Artie is basically looking at two people who need to go on ready or not in 2 days, and destroying their confidence by suggesting that something about who they are makes them inadequate.

I wonder about her. She says something about "crying like a girl" being embarrassing and...it seems to me that she might have some issues with expressing weakness and/or what femininity means.

She definitely seems like that--but then otoh she also seems more invested in girlie being good than most women. Like on one hand she loves being a coach and doesn't seem to go in for dresses etc., but otoh she's convinced she's undeserving of love because she's not traditionally pretty.

Couldn't it be character development on his part?

Oh, absolutely. That's how I took it. And in fact it was better than most character development on the show since he was pretty much already moving in a more self-accepting direction due to the storyline he'd had before. I really liked him in the scene and would like to see more of him. It was just funny because it's so typically Glee--Kurofsky's entire story is about his self-hatred and homophobia but we'll bring him in in a totally different place, having changed off-screen more than he'd changed in all those eps.

From: [identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com


Artie isn’t suggesting that Blaine will have a problem with not being Italian

LOL, it's much like the drinking episode, though. WE HAVE TO DO THINGS EVERY TEENAGER IN A SITCOM DOES FOR THEIR VERY SPECIAL EPISODES. Why? WE NEED TO LEARN IT. FOR...ACTING. Next week, they perform Rent, so are forced to contract AIDs, until they meet a plucky HIV sufferer who reminds them about what's important, before disappearing offscreen forever!

Iow, Artie eagerly consented to sex and then blamed the girl when he wanted a do-over--it was her job to not tempt him with sex outside of love!

I think they were supposed to go for 'Artie thinks Brittany only had sex with him for his voice' like Santana tells him, except he then turns his rant into 'Sex was special for me, and it means nothing to you!' Like if, you wanted to be 1000% sure of the person you're having sex with's motives, past and feelings, maybe don't have sex with someone you've spoken to twice. Not to mention, he specifically said he only paired up with her to make Tina jealous, so this 'Feeeeelings are special to me!' crap doesn't fly. He was just scared Brittany might be doing the same thing he did.

Why is she running away from the subject this week?

It just seems like they're emphasising not just that Emma and Beiste are ashamed of being virgins, but that...well, they should be.
Like, Beiste seems to be a virgin out of believing she won't attract a man, rather than out of choice; but while Emma allows her illness to control her to an extent, she does seem to have made a choice to live celibately for now.
It's not like she *can't* get any (to put in immature terms.)
And while I could see being embarrassed to live in the sexualised culture of today as an adult virgin, it seems like the show is underlining that the fault is all with Emma and Beiste, and that the best thing they could do for their own self-esteem and mental health is to just do it.
Oh, and of course, they should let men decide when and who with, as men have the right to ask them about their sex lives, even when it's grossly inappropriate.

Because you couldn’t possibly have sexual experience and think he’s being silly. (Note: You actually can.)

Nuh-uh! If you've had sex, you openly discuss it with anyone and brag about it constantly as if you're a 14 year old boy, whereas virgins give away their status instantly by fleeing as soon as the topic comes up and generally being judgemental, frigid and ignorant (as they live in a world with no movies, internet, etc...?) Which side are you on, Magpie, jeez?
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


LOL! I totally want them to do Rent now. And, I don't know, Les Miserables. One of them would need to go to prison or something.

It's funny, too, that they really already dealt with the whole "believably sexy onstage" twice with Kurt. First in the ep where he couldn't do sexy with the Warblers, and then when he tried out for Tony and everybody realized that he'd be so miscast in the part there's no way anybody would even consider him. Unlike Blaine. And I have to say, I read a recap of the ep that was like--wait, why is Blaine a virgin? Wasn't he living in a hottie paradise before now? Where he was king hottie?

God, yes on Artie. It's very strange how much of a real tool they make this character so often. He was terrible to Brittany, and then acted like a victim with her. I'm sure it's unintentional but at this point they've set up a pretty jerk pattern for the guy with her and Tina. And now with Blaine and Rachel.

It just seems like they're emphasising not just that Emma and Beiste are ashamed of being virgins, but that...well, they should be.

The weird thing about Emma is like...this is a woman who despite being completely damaged that way is never without a man. She got that one guy to propose to her and accepted with no intention of sleeping with him. Then John Stamos married her despite never sleeping with her. And now she's living with Schue who she also won't sleep with.

Maybe it's because the show started with not one but two women lying about pregnancy to trap a guy, but I don't trust the show to not be saying something awful about these two just by having them there. I don't know, I wasn't sure how I felt about the idea of this woman who's been humiliated for her looks so much in the past (with the entire student body using her as the equivalent of a cold shower and Schue helpfully telling her about it) suddenly having this basically good-looking guy chasing her and her rejecting him.

From: [identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com


Then John Stamos married her despite never sleeping with her.

And their relationship literally falls apart because the writers want it to. Like, she seems to be improving with Carl (whereas with Will's methods, she ends up scrubbing furiously and praying!) and then it's like, no, she's saving her Most Precious Gift for Will. Like, they could have even gone the equally cliched route and made Stamos a dick (he seemed sort of creepy, tbh!), which would have still Saved Her Innocence and left her ready for Will, but instead they literally leave it as she cannot sustain a relationship with anyone who's not Will. (Even though she and Will barely get along when they are together. Oh, and Will made out with like, a zillion women when they were together. Which has gross implications, like if she doesn't put out, someone else will.)

The thing with Emma, is actually, she probably is right for Will, because she's awful too (she slut shames, she's a terrible guidance counsellor, she uses people, she throws herself at a married guy with a baby on the way) but she gets away with it without the show really calling her on it. Will might say she's hiding behind her illness, but even Tanaka (who apparently had a breakdown!) and Carl sort of gracefully back away easily. You'd think one of them would say 'Um, since I'm leaving, I might as well tell you that your mental illness is not adorable, and it's no excuse for the way you treat people like shit.'

From: [identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com


what an audience really wants to see onstage is non-virgins

The best bit is when they're all 'How do we, as virgins, follow that?' about a group number. Did they poll every single person on stage or something? Even if every single member of Glee has had sex (which is as unlikely as any one class of 16-18 year olds all being virgins. But then again, everyone in Glee looks about 30 anyway...) then WHAT ABOUT THE EXTRAS? Lol.

I just feel like they already dealt with this (poorly) with the Gwyneth chastity club thing, and that they're just playing both sides of the stereotype.
The people having sex (well, girls, Puck's being played as more sympathetic despite the whole 'I don't use condoms, even after fathering a child') get judged (especially Quinn the 'trollop' who literally seems to have done it, like, once. I enjoyed how the mention of her and Puck's having sex was played as a joke for Puck's character - 99% of the time he's lucky! - whereas Quinn's bringing it up invites judgement from the writers via Tina's 'Well, you could have used protection!'), it's just that the people who haven't had sex get judged too, for being frigid.
That's equality!

Mercedes never supports anyone because of her big ego

Maybe she needs more white people to tell her awesome secrets about Aretha Franklin! Or Mr Schue to tell her off, he hasn't bellowed at a female student this week.

I didn't really need a warning

Racism is sort of expected in Glee at this point!

Brittany was raped

The thing is, it would fit brilliantly into her character (not that everyone who's promiscious or can compartmentalise sex and love has to have some dark reasoning behind it, but the whole way they've always treated sex and Brittany is to tread the line of creepiness, and it would explain why she's so insistent on fantasies.) but since they'd screw it up if they ever tried to write it for real, it's pretty gross as a simple joke.

Rachel was for once reaching out to another person

Either Rachel or Finn HAVE to be an asshole. I don't think I've ever seen an episode where they were both being nice at the same time. That's why they're MFEO. Or something.
Even their sex has to be 'I forgot you were a vegan!' 'I need to do this to be good in my high school play!' 'We made it four months without breaking up for a stupid, contrived reason!' I don't think they're capable of pure selflessness.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


I enjoyed how the mention of her and Puck's having sex was played as a joke for Puck's character - 99% of the time he's lucky! - whereas Quinn's bringing it up invites judgement from the writers via Tina's 'Well, you could have used protection!'), it's just that the people who haven't had sex get judged too, for being frigid.

That is really strange. Happy go lucky Puck can still make jokes about not using protection but when Quinn blames sex itself for complicating her life she's reminded that she (who was drunk) could have used protection. And yeah, obviously it was both their responsibilities, but Puck was more experienced and the seducer in the situation, and now we know that he does this with a no-protection policy.

It reminds me also of the scene a few weeks ago when Quinn was yelled out of her pink-hair phase. She accused Schue of ruining her life with Glee Club and yeah, obviously it wasn't Glee Club's fault that her life fell apart. But it was very creepy how Schue yelled at her as some sort of spoiled brat when it was a situation where a student and young girl who had been through a lot was lashing out. Like, could he maybe be a little sensitive since Quinn was dealing with giving up a baby, which was in fact more serious than anything in Schue's life, including the end of his ridiculous marriage?

From: [identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com


And Quinn didn't insist on protection, but she did ask, and Puck took on the responsibility to an extent (with what we now know to be a lie) with 'I got it, trust me'.
I mean, I like Puck, I'd say he was one of my favourites, but I hate the way they're sort of sweeping his dickishness under the carpet with all the 'isn't he cute with the baby!' and contrasting him with awful, shrewish Quinn (especially that 'Give me the baby, she likes ME'. Ouch!) when he (and for that matter, Shelby) are just as selfish and misguided as Quinn.

I wouldn't mind with Schue so much, and I hate to be all paranoid feminist, but it really does seem significant that he's never called out the boys individually (except Kurt, which is an issue of it's own.
And of course, Kurt's wasn't 'You have this personality problem', it was 'You want to sing Britney Spears, and she's a poor role model.' To go off on a tangent, I didn't realize singing the songs meant endorsing the singer. I can't imagine what Britney Spears has done that say, Kanye West or Kiss hasn't. It's not like 'Golddigger' or 'Last Friday Night' or 'Tik Tok' are hymns.) and it's not like they don't behave as obnoxiously.
He picked them up on misogyny, once (while admitting he's shared that fault), but that's pretty much it, whereas S3 it seems like each week he's calling out Quinn, or Mercedes, or Santana.
And it's especially gross that a) they all further this 'Quinn has pink hair and is therefore a train wreck' thing. (I like Shelby's 'Unprompted, I'm going to come into your life and get you to be involved with your baby, but not until you change yourself physically!')
Like, she seems a mess emotionally, but she always does. But apparently having blonde hair gives everyone a license to ignore it. Especially that 'I won't let you see the baby like this!' OMG, yeah, it may give her nightmares. Unlike Puck's fauxhawk. and B) that it's pushed as 'Schue proves he has balls' (along with the whole 'Schue says he's gonna fight Sue' and Emma's turned on. IIRC, this time it was Becky saying he was 'sexy'. Apparently only caveman masculinity is sexy, and you express that by yelling at teenage girls or battling women.
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