sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Two more ways of looking at a magpie)
( May. 22nd, 2011 01:49 pm)
I'm reading the reactions to the SPN finale and having total flashbacks to HP. Usually I don't think of those canons being very similar, but they both have characters with strong personalities that color all their reactions. They can get hurt by someone saying something not intended to hurt them, or do something that's hurtful to someone else without thinking it's hurtful. They can do obviously the wrong thing while thinking it's totally the right thing.

It makes the interactions fun to analyze to tease out how the characters are talking past each other or influencing each other in ways they can't understand, and makes every character an island where they can't ever truly understand the other person. I mean, they can understand them based on familiarity with their behavior, but if you asked them to analyze the other person it would probably bear no resemblance to how that character saw themselves.

But this leads to a fandom with a lot of different factions who see one character as right or sympathetic and other characters as wrong. And along with that go assumptions that if you disagree with someone on which character deserves understanding it must be because you're a stan of that character and so completely biased, rather than just seeing a grey area a little differently than the other person. The show serves up a sad, tragic situation that mixes love and resentment or has characters having a bad influence on each other without meaning to, it is guaranteed to cause fury!

Not generalizing the whole fandom with that there. There's plenty of people not doing that and writing about it, I've seen it. I'm just totally not surprised that after that finale there's a lot of fury going on, with different groups complaining that their character was dissed and hated on by the writers and will continue to be so while other characters unfairly elevated. The messiest fictional situations inspire the loudest insistance that it's all very clean and simple.
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Default)
( May. 22nd, 2011 01:49 pm)
I'm reading the reactions to the SPN finale and having total flashbacks to HP. Usually I don't think of those canons being very similar, but they both have characters with strong personalities that color all their reactions. They can get hurt by someone saying something not intended to hurt them, or do something that's hurtful to someone else without thinking it's hurtful. They can do obviously the wrong thing while thinking it's totally the right thing.

It makes the interactions fun to analyze to tease out how the characters are talking past each other or influencing each other in ways they can't understand, and makes every character an island where they can't ever truly understand the other person. I mean, they can understand them based on familiarity with their behavior, but if you asked them to analyze the other person it would probably bear no resemblance to how that character saw themselves.

But this leads to a fandom with a lot of different factions who see one character as right or sympathetic and other characters as wrong. And along with that go assumptions that if you disagree with someone on which character deserves understanding it must be because you're a stan of that character and so completely biased, rather than just seeing a grey area a little differently than the other person. The show serves up a sad, tragic situation that mixes love and resentment or has characters having a bad influence on each other without meaning to, it is guaranteed to cause fury!

Not generalizing the whole fandom with that there. There's plenty of people not doing that and writing about it, I've seen it. I'm just totally not surprised that after that finale there's a lot of fury going on, with different groups complaining that their character was dissed and hated on by the writers and will continue to be so while other characters unfairly elevated. The messiest fictional situations inspire the loudest insistance that it's all very clean and simple.
So there was a lot to be relieved about in last night's ep of SPN, but the very end really makes me question their casting again. Spoilers for Like A Virgin )
So there was a lot to be relieved about in last night's ep of SPN, but the very end really makes me question their casting again. Spoilers for Like A Virgin )
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (I'm still picking.)
( Oct. 3rd, 2010 02:28 pm)
Two Supernatural eps and two times I had something to say about them. This is getting scary. I thought this ep was better than the first, but the Campbells continue to be off-putting in exactly the way Ben and Lisa aren't. Apparently Sera Gamble has said might as well cut here for very mild spoiles for the tone of the season )
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Default)
( Oct. 3rd, 2010 02:28 pm)
Two Supernatural eps and two times I had something to say about them. This is getting scary. I thought this ep was better than the first, but the Campbells continue to be off-putting in exactly the way Ben and Lisa aren't. Apparently Sera Gamble has said might as well cut here for very mild spoiles for the tone of the season )
Because I realized there was no way it was going to come across the way it was in my head instead of as something else.

ETA: I didn't realize people had actually read it and wanted to comment. It seemed a little unfair to yank it in that case. I was able to find it by going back to a previous page, so here's the text of it again. Basically, I was worried that I'd accidentally made it sound like a big attack on Sam as a person/character that would leave me defending things I didn't really believe when really it was just that I thought it was a sloppy reset. But anyway, here's the basic idea of what I had said the first time around.

Here. )
I'm going to try to put down some complicated rumination on the finales of SUPERNATURAL and LOST here--with spoilers for both. Watching the The End finale last night it reminded me of Swan Song. In the end I feel like Swan Song was more successful as a narrative in delivering what it promised.

I apologize for how long this is. It was probably a bad idea to try to talk about two such important finales in one post, but they seemed really ripe for comparison.

Spoilers for The End (LOST) and Swan Song (SPN) )
I'm going to try to put down some complicated rumination on the finales of SUPERNATURAL and LOST here--with spoilers for both. Watching the The End finale last night it reminded me of Swan Song. In the end I feel like Swan Song was more successful as a narrative in delivering what it promised.

I apologize for how long this is. It was probably a bad idea to try to talk about two such important finales in one post, but they seemed really ripe for comparison.

Spoilers for The End (LOST) and Swan Song (SPN) )
How fun was SPN last night? A lot. And I feel like the best fun is yet to come as people write about it, because this ep had a lot going on in it. Not only were there clever plans being put into operation right and left (almost everyone had a moment of "surprise, I've been playing you!"), scenes from the past were recalled and switched around. Seems like there's probably many different strands to look at in the ep. One that occurred to me today was the theme of faith in another person. Spoilers for Point of No Return Inside. )
Don't you just love Supernatural eps that go over everybody's issues? Don't you just love characters who have issues you can count on? Yeah, I really enjoyed this ep. But I have seen a couple of comments about it that I saw a little differently so Spoilers within for Dark Side of the Moon. )

Tl;dr I don't think Sam was hurt when Dean threw away the amulet. I think he was more concerned at how much Dean was hurt.
Don't you just love Supernatural eps that go over everybody's issues? Don't you just love characters who have issues you can count on? Yeah, I really enjoyed this ep. But I have seen a couple of comments about it that I saw a little differently so Spoilers within for Dark Side of the Moon. )

Tl;dr I don't think Sam was hurt when Dean threw away the amulet. I think he was more concerned at how much Dean was hurt.
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Pica loquax certa dominum te voce saluto)
( Nov. 18th, 2009 02:24 pm)
This is related to a discussion in another lj, but I realized it was really a tangent, so I thought I'd put it here. The discussion was about all-human AUs, where fanfic authors take non-human characters and make them human due to the setting. For instance, if you have everybody from Star Trek in high school, Spock might be an exchange student from some other country, but he's not half Vulcan. Likewise, Castiel isn't an angel, Spike isn't a vampire, Frodo isn't a hobbit, Zuko isn't a fire bender, etc. It's taking fantasy or sci-fi characters and putting them in a real world settings. Many people don't really see the point in that--which I can understand, even if I like those stories. If a character has an alien mindset, the logical question is, how can s/he be the same character without that alien mindset?

Which led me to an answer that's not really relevent to that discussion, which is that they're actually human to begin with. )
sistermagpie: Might as well be in Chinese (Chinese)
( Nov. 18th, 2009 02:22 pm)
This is related to a discussion in another lj, but I realized it was really a tangent, so I thought I'd put it here. The discussion was about all-human AUs, where fanfic authors take non-human characters and make them human due to the setting. For instance, if you have everybody from Star Trek in high school, Spock might be an exchange student from some other country, but he's not half Vulcan. Likewise, Castiel isn't an angel, Spike isn't a vampire, Frodo isn't a hobbit, Zuko isn't a fire bender, etc. It's taking fantasy or sci-fi characters and putting them in a real world settings. Many people don't really see the point in that--which I can understand, even if I like those stories. If a character has an alien mindset, the logical question is, how can s/he be the same character without that alien mindset?

Which led me to an answer that's not really relevent to that discussion, which is that they're actually human to begin with. )
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (Rant!)
( Nov. 13th, 2009 12:07 pm)
As many on my f'list have been talking about, there were some disappointing things in SPN last night, including a glaring one along gender lines. It actually relates to my last post about the exhibit I saw on scenes from American life. I mentioned that I learned that women's shallow attraction to material things was a popular subject in the nineteenth century, shown in different ways in the pictures I saw. One picture, for instance, showed an "image peddler" showing his wares to a family. The women admired a bowl full of plaster fruit (decorative fluff) while the man looked at a bust of George Washington (serious history!).

One might think we hadn't come far since then to judge by SPN last night...spoilers within for The Real Ghostbusters. )
sistermagpie: Sigh. (Monet)
( Nov. 13th, 2009 11:45 am)
As many on my f'list have been talking about, there were some disappointing things in SPN last night, including a glaring one along gender lines. It actually relates to my last post about the exhibit I saw on scenes from American life. I mentioned that I learned that women's shallow attraction to material things was a popular subject in the nineteenth century, shown in different ways in the pictures I saw. One picture, for instance, showed an "image peddler" showing his wares to a family. The women admired a bowl full of plaster fruit (decorative fluff) while the man looked at a bust of George Washington (serious history!).

One might think we hadn't come far since then to judge by SPN last night...spoilers within for The Real Ghostbusters. )
sistermagpie: WWSMD? (Nun)
( Oct. 16th, 2009 02:14 pm)
So Supernatural was on last night, which means time for the weekly round of "who's the biggest jerk and why, and who owes what to who..." Since I’ve been reading a lot about it, I'm going to say ...why I think I think Castiel's transgressions coming to light is irrelevant. Possibly spoilers inside. )
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (WWSMD?)
( Oct. 16th, 2009 11:44 am)
So Supernatural was on last night, which means time for the weekly round of "who's the biggest jerk and why, and who owes what to who..." Since I’ve been reading a lot about it, I'm going to say ...why I think I think Castiel's transgressions coming to light is irrelevant. Possibly spoilers inside. )
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (I'm listening.)
( Aug. 27th, 2009 08:31 pm)
Whoa. That meme thing apparently really exhausted me because I haven't posted since then. I feel like I have, but it's been mostly commenting. Also I ate so much food this weekend I sort of needed to curl up and digest it like a python. It was good food.

I went to a cool exhibit recently about Japanese mandalas and avatars. Also an exhibit on EXTREEEEME mammals. Biggest mammal ever, smallest ever (that we know of) and randomly crazy things. I actually did not know just how amazing bats are. I knew that they were very old, evolutionarily speaking, but they make up a huge percentage of total mammal species. (And some are dying out in the current possibly sixth great extinction).

There are no flying marsupials, btw. They think maybe because they all have to have powerful arms at birth to crawl to their milk source. Bats are the only flying mammal.

So there's my fun fact for the day.

In something more fandom-related, I've been thinking today about one of my favorite things about the modern age. I watched a preview for Supernatural's new season and naturally my first thought was--who is that who's singing that cool version of O Death in that preview? Since I live in 2009, my question was asked right there in the comments. The first answer was false, sending people to iTunes to try out a version of the song that was not right. A second google search found somebody who had uploaded the audio of the preview. And now, days after it went up, the CW has apparently put up a download link to the song they used with the currect singer. It's Jen Titius, btw.

I can remember so many times when I was a kid going crazy wishing I could have things like that. I've always been a big movie soundtrack person, but I've really liked the way in recent years TV shows have started coming out with soundtracks--HBO's particularly good at this. But this is like the Internet at its best. There's a commercial, CW realizes people are clamoring for the song, and they can give it to them so they do. I feel like if I went back in time that would be one of the things it would be hard to get used to again--that and not being able to look up information from where I'm sitting.

Sometimes it's good to appreciate the technology you have now.
sistermagpie: Classic magpie (WWSMD?)
( Mar. 20th, 2009 01:03 pm)
Supernatural last night last night had what I assume was a pretty important episode in terms of its mytharc and it got me thinking about torture and how it's being used on the show, compared to how it's used on 24.

I watch 24 with a sort of fascinated horror at the attitude it displays, and this season, imo, it's gotten all the louder about its views. Which are disturbing. Warning: tl;dr. )
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