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sistermagpie ([personal profile] sistermagpie) wrote2005-11-15 12:39 pm
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Blaise Zabini

I was reading this really interesting post here about a troubling fanfic trend I was unfortunately unaware of, which is that apparently post-HBP Blaise is less interesting than he was before...because he's black? Um, what? I recommend [livejournal.com profile] jazzypom's post because it is about fanfic depictions of black characters in HP in general. I don't read fic about the adults very often so I didn't know about the clichés concerning Kingsley Shacklebolt. As a Slyth fan I do know a bit about Blaise, though, and the post made me really think about

...how my own feelings about him have changed since HBP and I'm sticking them here too. Nothing coherent, just thoughts here and there:


I would never deny that one of the things about Draco Malfoy as a slash character is that aesthetically; it's interesting putting him with contrasting people. Harry, of course, is the main person I contrast him with. The two of them are like blood brothers with the black hair/white hair, green eyes/grey eyes, etc. I've always liked Blaise and was very happy with fics that created a sort of European Malfoy-ish family that probably taught the Medici’s a thing or two. I always saw Blaise as a boy, and pictured him as dark haired, tanned, big brown eyes.

My view of him shifted after I got the truth in HBP, but I honestly don't understand how the back-story we have for him could in any way be considered less interesting. The main difference for me is that where I used to imagine Blaise as part of a big family, now I see him isolated, more just him and his mother, though he probably has lots of relatives scattered around. He still seems continental to me, I think because I imagine his mother traveling around to all the hot spots to meet her rich husbands, with little Blaise in tow. How is this not a rich life for a Slytherin character? Especially one we now know is friends with Malfoy?

Plus he's also a Pureblood snob, so you figure his mother must be from a good family. She's not a little chorus girl who was pretty and so used that to snag a man of a better bloodline. Maybe she's from a family like the Blacks but they'd lost their money, so she took it upon herself to win back the life to which she was accustomed.

I wonder, too, if anyone would do anything with the fact that Blaise is the most sexualized kid in canon, and he has no father and a highly sexualized mother. Is this another woman who's bad because she's sexually aggressive? Is Blaise "bad" because of this quality of his mother? (The books don't have the best track record there.) Is anyone writing incestuous scenes where he and his mother engage in sexual conquest contests when they're bored in Monte Carlo? Somebody could probably write a really funny story where Draco visits Blaise over the summer and gets his mind blown at one of Blaise's mother's parties, or just in general gets an education.:-) Or he and Blaise wake up in Borneo with raging hangovers, wearing women's underwear. I mean, Blaise is totally cool by sixth year, but that's why it seems like it would be fun to see him at 12 when he hadn't gotten it down yet.

Perhaps Blaise's mother is distant. Perhaps they're very close and have a wonderful relationship that's lots of fun. Perhaps all the Slytherin boys adore her. Was Blaise close to any of his stepfathers? Did he hate any of them? Did he kill any of them? Perhaps the rumors about their death are just that, vicious rumors. Blaise is not the Slytherin boy who'd seen death, interestingly enough, so perhaps he and Draco are more alike in that way, surrounded by death but thinking it a game. Did Blaise help Draco out at all during the year?

What were anyone else’s thoughts about Blaise in HBP? Unfortunately anything about the character seemed to get overshadowed by the idea that ZOMG heez black and that totaly sux in a totaly non-racist way I swear but I'm gonna keep him white anywayz!!11!
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[personal profile] gramarye1971 2005-11-15 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
YES. How could I have forgotten that? ^_^
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[personal profile] gramarye1971 2005-11-15 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Earlier on? Yes, I think it would've felt less jarring. Perhaps even a specific about gender, or even a sentence about physical appearance, or some casual remark about him being from a family with financial troubles (comparing him to Ron, even). One or two sentences back in PoA or even GoF might've lessened this impact of BLAISE!ZABINI! that we got in HBP.

Then again, I also felt as if Luna was tossed into the books rather haphazardly as well. We hear nothing about her for four books, and then all of a sudden she's introduced at the beginning of the fifth and by the end of the book she's fighting alongside the Trio and Neville in the darkest corridors of the Ministry. I can't be the only one who was a little 'bzuh?' about that.

[identity profile] kaskait.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
That is also a part of the problem. I think her editors wanted to cut out quite a few of those elements. But she wouldn't let them.

JKR has them all bamboozled because there could be CLUES in all that nonsense filler. She uses this "Where's Waldo" clue element in her books so much that it has made her editors nervous about touching anything.
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[identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
And apparently this incredibly weird girl--weird enough that everybody makes fun of her. Harry just never noticed.

A few of my thoughts...

[identity profile] saturniia.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Except or accept?

And yes, Blaise is the big Challenge to the "racism is magic-related" argument in HP. Not because of any of the characters see him as a Black English Wizard, but because it challenges the audience to see him as such, when previously maybe they saw him as of European descent, be it French or Italian or Swiss.

Personally, even now I see Blaise as a mixed-ethnicity character, where I saw Dean as English African even before meeting him in the movies. Blaise is more like the British Tiger Woods, where he's dark-skinned but you can see that his parentage is from more than one continent. Maybe an ancestor is British, and a paternal relative is probably Italian, but beyond that, it's all kinda nebulous. I've never written Blaise in fanfic, so I've never had to come up with a concrete description.

[identity profile] kaskait.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL! Most of the minor characters are in the book so that Ginny can bitch!slap them around the chapters!
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Re: A few of my thoughts...

[identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oops-Accept! I meant accept!

But yes, the fact that he's been given one other big marker, a name that's Italian, seems like you've got that to work with too.

Malfoy=Frenchy?

[identity profile] saturniia.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, the Malfoys might have their last name as it is because the family is originally from Brittany. (Well, they could be! It was once part of England.)
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[identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
And they deserve it too! She's the ideal girl!
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Re: Malfoy=Frenchy?

[identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, you're right! They certainly could be from Brittany.

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[identity profile] saturniia.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The movies are just as bad... not even with little details being dropped for expedience, but am I the only one who's noticed that Percy is supposed to have glasses, but he doesn't?

Come on, costume director(s)! If McGonagal has glasses and Dumbledore has glasses and Harry has glasses and the author cares enough to include them, wouldn't you think that glasses symbolize something and include them in your wardrobe inventory for the character of Percy Weasley?

[identity profile] saturniia.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Rowling did.

(Oh, we're bad, but it's truth!)

[identity profile] saturniia.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like we all can learn from Ms. Rowling's mistakes, and create "yearbooks" of sorts for multi-volume stories. You know, the sort of binder that would contain statistics, calendars, maps, character sketches and etymologies, and "the storyline so far" and "where the story has to go. World-building and so on is great, but if it's the sort of thing that grinds the Hogwarts Express to a halt for anything less than a Dementor, the author should have enough modesty to pare it down!

[identity profile] chocolatepot.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, [livejournal.com profile] a_t_rain has written a trilogy, in the third story of which Blaise and Theo are important. It's pre-HBP, though, and Blaise is ... Canadian, I think.

[identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Was I the only one who was totally unshocked by him being black? I guess I never really thought about him much at all, being a basic name on a page until HBP (I presumed he was a boy because I've only ever heard the name applied to boys in this country, and that he had dark hair because of the last name.) It just seems the general consensus is either what you mentioned or else 'OMG JKR just totally PWNED fandom with such an unexpected twist, confronting us with our own racism and showing us how skin colour is no issue in the Potterverse, just endless boring double-standards magical blood'. Eh. Not so much. Speak for your own assumptions, people.

Is this another woman who's bad because she's sexually aggressive?

Can't trust a beautiful women who's been married a lot, naturally.
And of course she's marrying for money, rather than having a job or talent. Her beauty is her job! How very Ginny of her. Oh, well, you know what we women are like, desperate to suck men dry.

Perhaps all the Slytherin boys adore her.

I imagine Crabbe and Goyle to be in fits of joy, visiting between her house and Narcissa's. I hope those two have ladies nights out, what with Lucius in prison and Ms. Zabini being a perpetual widow.

Perhaps the rumors about their death are just that, vicious rumors.

Naw, you can always trust rumours heard by Gryffindors. It's those evil ones written in the Prophet you can't trust!

[identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
She was in the plot cupboard with the rest of Ginny's friends/hobbies/new found prettiness/wit.

[identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
We only see racial diversity in other Houses, so it's nice to see someone break the Slytherin mold in that regard

I see your point. The old 'Isn't JKR smart and subtle for having all Aryan blondes in Slytherin?' got tired, fast. (The Slytherins sound more like the propoganda images of Jews to me, frankly - ugly, all inter-related, sinister, having lots of money, etc.)

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[identity profile] kaskait.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Symbolism! You want symbolism? Don't you know that such a thing does not exist in these books?

After the whole hypogriff fiasco, I have stopped looking for deeper meanings in JKR's use of mythology. She doesn't use those symbols to add symbolic layers to her story. She just uses them because they are teh kewlest.

Obviously the filmmakers are taking a page out her pastiche. There were just too many characters in glasses. Hence, Percy now has 20/20 vision. Either that or he had lasik surgery before his film debut.

[identity profile] sarahtales.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, I KNOW. I was wandering about the streets of New York on Saturday with Cassie and Josh and Clio shouting 'DARK CHOCOLATE LOVE GOD!' in an emphatic sort of way. I do not believe I will ever be able to write fic without explicitly saying that Blaise is hotter than Draco. (It's a creepy compulsion of some kind. And speaking of creepy compulsions, when am I going to be shouting about love gods on the streets with you, woman?)

I thought Blaise was interesting in HBP, though the only thing that really surprised me was the explicit and canonical Slytherin hotness - by sheer chance I had a similar enough idea of him already. One, yes, he's sexualised to the point where one is led to believe he's sexy. And he's confident. He has a famous mother and he's part of Slughorn's special coterie. He's got all the markers of a leader but (as we do see in the train scene) he's not a leader. Draco, who is by all known measurements demonstrably less cool, is quite clearly the leader. (as even Harry recognises - his low-grade hostility towards Zabini is just a case of 'Random Slytherin #5... glare')

Blaise comes off as friendly with all of them in that scene, but he is the only one who directly challenges Draco with a reminder that his father's in jail, his status has fallen, why would Voldemort want an untrained kid? Practical points all, and his take on Ginny struck me as greatly practical too - totally hot, but he's not touching that. And of course he comes from the house of great ambition, so I wondered vaguely all the way through the book, while Blaise was watching his stock rise with Slughorn's favouritism and Draco was very obviously FALLING TO PIECES - how'd that affect the power dynamics down in the dungeons? I have ideas...

[identity profile] sarahtales.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
N.B. Mrs Zabini as the Slytherin MILF. God, I want to see that.
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[identity profile] butterfly.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I was one of the people who hadn't given Blaise much thought at all, though I found the various fanon Blaises interesting. And then JKR described him, I went, "huh, he actually sounds really hot," and then merrily continued with caring only about Draco and, to a lesser degree, Harry (that's just in the books, though -- in fandom I really like to read thoughts and essays and suchlike about all the characters).

And then I was astonished (and disappointed, and then sad when I realized that I probably shouldn't be so surprised) when finding out that Blaise was black upset some people and made them less interested in him. Though luckily no one on my flist reacted that way.
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[identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I was like...well, yes she showed us but it's not exactly subtle. Not that it has to be, of course, but I couldn't say I was really shocked that a Slytherin could be black. It was more like, "What took you so long to reveal yourself?"

I imagine Crabbe and Goyle to be in fits of joy, visiting between her house and Narcissa's. I hope those two have ladies nights out, what with Lucius in prison and Ms. Zabini being a perpetual widow.

I've always loved Blaise and Draco are friends fics, and it's true, these two seem like they could make a really good pair doing girls night out, especially since Narcissa since HBP seems kind of youngish. I mean, she's not literally that young, but I can see her getting a kick out of her wild friend Ms. Zabini. And Blaise and Draco could bond over having hot moms.

Naw, you can always trust rumours heard by Gryffindors. It's those evil ones written in the Prophet you can't trust!

Yes, if there's one thing all the lies told about him haven't taught Harry it's to not believe everything he hears about other people.

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[identity profile] seductivedark.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I've checked my Arabic dictionary, and can't find a 'Zabin'. The closest is Zbun, which means a kicking camel, fierce battle, a fool or foolish, customer or buyer, hotel guest, regular guest or customer...

Ooh. I just read down. ZabAna - pedipalpus or the claw of a scorpion or crayfish. Usually dual (zbAnia). Also zbAniA: myrmidons, angels who thrust the damned into hell.

(Sorry about the caps, but it's hard to explain the differences in spelling from an entirely different alphabet)

I guess a lot of those definitions could match the Zabini family backstory. I particularily like the claw of a scorpion, and the angel who thrusts the damned into hell.

On Blaise's ethnicity, his description does sound a bit like Tiger Woods: A tall black boy with high cheekbones and long, slanting eyes (HBP Scholastic p. 143). I immediately thought of Blaise as being darker than Tiger Woods, but otherwise, similar in face and build. Tiger Woods calls himself "Cablinasian", which stands for "Caucasian-black-Indian-Asian" (Oprah show, see this link http://www.salon.com/april97/tiger970430.html from a search to find the right ethnicity). Blaise Zabini may have many ethnicities, Italian being one, if the WW is more blood-purity conscious than color-conscious as it seems to be.

I'm surprised that there aren't a spate of new fanfics starring the gorgeous Blaise Zabini in all his haughty glory. I haven't even bothered to check lately. I could easily see him in a dom role, slash or het.
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[identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
(It's a creepy compulsion of some kind. And speaking of creepy compulsions, when am I going to be shouting about love gods on the streets with you, woman?)

As soon as possible, I say!

I love your Blaise, btw. I mean, he really has to be hotter than Draco because even if Draco was gorgeous, he's too much of a clown to be the sex god.

Draco, who is by all known measurements demonstrably less cool, is quite clearly the leader. (as even Harry recognises - his low-grade hostility towards Zabini is just a case of 'Random Slytherin #5... glare')

And thus Draco triumphs in his spastic way.:-D See, this is why you just have to love the Slytherins.

And of course he comes from the house of great ambition, so I wondered vaguely all the way through the book, while Blaise was watching his stock rise with Slughorn's favouritism and Draco was very obviously FALLING TO PIECES - how'd that affect the power dynamics down in the dungeons? I have ideas...

And now I want to know all your ideas, dammit!

But yeah, I love Blaise totally challenging Draco--obviously he's never been anything like a lackey. And yet he is interested in what's going on with him. He can't hide that when Draco hints he really is in the service of the Dark Lord here. Personally I always wondered if Blaise wasn't helping him too--he's in the pub the day Katie gets the necklace, I think. Not that I think he was in on it more than anyone else, but still. I'd love to get Blaise's take on what was going on with Draco.
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[identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com 2005-11-15 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh--that was very much my take: Interesting--but how does this affect Draco?:-)

The stupid responses were just one more way for HP fandom to look bad. That and complaining that they cast a Chinese-Scot to play Cho instead of...whatever they thought would be more appropriate. Blaise hadn't had a single line in canon, how exactly did you get tricked there?

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