http://godspoodle.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] godspoodle.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] sistermagpie 2008-06-20 05:25 pm (UTC)

Nah, I just said Sirius 'straddles the line' in terms of personality traits (rather than role), which isn't the same thing as being the Lover (which is a role/archetype). I don't think he's ever really self-actualized, anyway, sooo the Warrior thing seems half-assed almost as much as the Lover thing. While loving Harry was stunted, I think it (loyalty, dedication, and Harry himself) meant a lot to him, more than anything after James died. Stunted!love is a particular favorite of mine so I have to defend it <3. Sirius is a stunted person. When thinking about who he is on a larger level, I have to give him room to grow, as if he never grew up and is still a teenager. Which, he pretty much didn't, and he pretty much is :>

Oh yeah, more fluid, definitely. Men really do look for hierarchies, don't they? How animal/pack-like, haha, it's scary. The animal mind is a present and clear thing, it seems. Wow.

I think on a deeper level, the girls are somewhat relational to the boys, and their deepest bonds are to boys-- Azula to her father and his role, Katar to Aang to Sokka, Mai to Zuko-- but this is debatable. I mean, the girls have relationships that aren't about boys, but it seems like men still come first in one way or another. With Azula, it's less 'men' and more 'male-dominated power', but then she's a special case. Anyway it'd be weird/unrealistic if they were so balanced as to be idyllic, of course. There's stuff to work on, at least. :>

It's true that girls hierarchies tend to change, and a Queen Bee may lose her footing among followers (like Azula did), but an Alpha may lose his footing too. My feeling is that Queen Bees hold a deeper/darker power over the little worker bees 'cause it's less transcribed and more emotional/psychological. You have a way to challenge the male ruler (just defeat him), but how do you 'defeat' a Queen Bee? It's complex. Unsurprisingly, a guy provides a good reason. ^^; Generally, in your average HS story, they just grow out of it or are publically humiliated and disempowered (and how often could that possibly happen?). Especially with Azula and Mai and the three of them, I always felt Avatar portrayed the vaguely disturbing nature of those sorts of groups, 'cause the Queen Bee is pretty vicious in acquiring power and the little bees tend to be forcefully oblivious to their state of living. Like, 'it's just the way things are, we're still friends... no, really', even though you're... not really friends. You only figure that out after HS. Normal friends don't ask you to do these things for them. Aahhhh. haha :> At least, it only hit me later :P

It's true that the guys' relationships are unusually fluid, and of course Toph and Katara get to lead too-- basically they work together as a team! Which is like, what it's all about, baby, etc. Not so much that they change leaders as that they have the person most suited do the job. Probably, in the sense of 'greater mission', the leader is Aang, but even there they provide input. True teamwork is a beautiful thing :D

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