("I've written a poem about it..." says Pitt the Younger.)
*coughs* "Why don't girls like me?"
Heh. Blackadder is Slytherin to the core (even the name works!) And Baldrick can be the Crabbe/Goyle style helper, with his 'cunning plans'.
I think sometimes one of the problems with children's
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<i>("I've written a poem about it..." says Pitt the Younger.)</i>
*coughs* "Why don't girls like me?"
Heh. Blackadder is Slytherin to the core (even the name works!) And Baldrick can be the Crabbe/Goyle style helper, with his 'cunning plans'.
I think sometimes one of the problems with <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/no_remorse/58952.html">children's</a> <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/no_remorse/33688.html"><lit/a> in general, and HP specifically, is that yeah, teenagers are idiots; and obviously with the intended audience being kids, adults are portrayed as incompetents, almost to the point of idiocy, which is all well and good (god knows adults fuck up constantly!) but the underlying message seems to be this arrogant attitude that nobody can possibly teach you/Protagonist/Harry anything, because they already know it all. I mean, as someone went into upthread, the Trio already encompass every possible House characteristic - they're loyaller, braver, more cunning and more intelligent than anyone else could possibly be. Who can they possibly learn from? <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/sistermagpie/13665.html?thread=51041#t51041">(Reminds me of this post ootp discussion...)</a> What kind of journey can they make? (Especially Hermione, who's already in Mary Sue territory.)
<i>I love the idea of being able to see different versions of the same types in the different houses instead of having this idea that one house contains all the bad stereotypes.</i>
Everyone in the HP!verse is the same <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/roxannelinton/26521.html?thread=414617#t414617">type</a>. (Perhaps they're all just versions of JKR, and she needs to start a round robin to get a fresh perspective? ;) I mean, it's difficult to think of a flaw that the archetypal Gryffindors have that isn't matched in their Slytherin counteraparts, and vice versa. The only difference is we're supposed to like some of them. I think that perhaps if we were supposed to adore the Slytherins and view them as merry pranksters' like Fred and George; or excuse them because they rilly rilly believe they're in the right, like Harry; I'd probably loathe them.
<i>Unfortunately I feel like this might be another time where rather than consider the idea that the Trio dynamic became anything like the Slytherin one, people might instinctively just explain how that didn't happen because Harry being a leader is different than a Slytherin being a leader etc.</i>
Let me guess...Harry's not bossing them! Or if he is, they don't mind, because they know he's more knowledgeable than them! Of course, the idea that you could use exactly the same reasoning for the Slytherin trio and their 'court' (love that word ;) never really occurs.
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*coughs* "Why don't girls like me?"
Heh. Blackadder is Slytherin to the core (even the name works!) And Baldrick can be the Crabbe/Goyle style helper, with his 'cunning plans'.
I think sometimes one of the problems with children's
*coughs* "Why don't girls like me?"
Heh. Blackadder is Slytherin to the core (even the name works!) And Baldrick can be the Crabbe/Goyle style helper, with his 'cunning plans'.
I think sometimes one of the problems with <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/no_remorse/58952.html">children's</a> <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/no_remorse/33688.html"><lit/a> in general, and HP specifically, is that yeah, teenagers are idiots; and obviously with the intended audience being kids, adults are portrayed as incompetents, almost to the point of idiocy, which is all well and good (god knows adults fuck up constantly!) but the underlying message seems to be this arrogant attitude that nobody can possibly teach you/Protagonist/Harry anything, because they already know it all. I mean, as someone went into upthread, the Trio already encompass every possible House characteristic - they're loyaller, braver, more cunning and more intelligent than anyone else could possibly be. Who can they possibly learn from? <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/sistermagpie/13665.html?thread=51041#t51041">(Reminds me of this post ootp discussion...)</a> What kind of journey can they make? (Especially Hermione, who's already in Mary Sue territory.)
<i>I love the idea of being able to see different versions of the same types in the different houses instead of having this idea that one house contains all the bad stereotypes.</i>
Everyone in the HP!verse is the same <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/roxannelinton/26521.html?thread=414617#t414617">type</a>. (Perhaps they're all just versions of JKR, and she needs to start a round robin to get a fresh perspective? ;)
I mean, it's difficult to think of a flaw that the archetypal Gryffindors have that isn't matched in their Slytherin counteraparts, and vice versa. The only difference is we're supposed to like some of them.
I think that perhaps if we were supposed to adore the Slytherins and view them as merry pranksters' like Fred and George; or excuse them because they rilly rilly believe they're in the right, like Harry; I'd probably loathe them.
<i>Unfortunately I feel like this might be another time where rather than consider the idea that the Trio dynamic became anything like the Slytherin one, people might instinctively just explain how that didn't happen because Harry being a leader is different than a Slytherin being a leader etc.</i>
Let me guess...Harry's not bossing them! Or if he is, they don't mind, because they know he's more knowledgeable than them!
Of course, the idea that you could use exactly the same reasoning for the Slytherin trio and their 'court' (love that word ;) never really occurs.