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sistermagpie) wrote2005-12-12 09:53 pm
sistermagpie) wrote2005-12-12 09:53 pm
Amateur HP Psychology
I am not getting any e-mail and I don't know why. They just started coming, but anything from today before the last ten minutes seems to be gone.
I've been reading this book on the Shadow as in Jung (kind of a theme lately) and I'm reading about how the Shadow is all the things you repress in yourself, so you're enraged when you see them in other people. So somebody else could be a terrible person but wouldn't bother you as much because you're not repressing those kinds of things too much. What's horrible about it is I'm reading and knowing that my shadow…
Is post-GoF Ginny Weasley.
She's not the only one, obviously, but oh my god she so is my shadow. When I hear anyone defending her--even reasonably--I am filled with rage. Of course, being who I am (what I repress) I have to try to listen objectively and even admit when the person has a point, because I always want to be accurate and blah blah. Sometimes even I have to defend her because something's off. But what I really want to do is hex the person so that they shut up. Or say something mean that's probably like, "Don't start talking about Quidditch, you'll only embarrass yourself." Or run into the person and put them in the infirmary. This is why it's so strange when people say one must hate Ginny because one wants Harry for herself, because when Harry is liking Ginny it's hard for me to just not see him as a jerk. Like I picture them in their 30s as some dreadful couple I'd avoid. Unfortunately this isn't exactly objective canon analysis, so I can't usually just say that.
The one good thing about this is Lupin is a lot like me in this way--I mean, the kind of stuff he swallows--so maybe he hates her too. I believe when Ginny is throwing her temper tantrum in OotP Lupin quietly shuts the door. For Lupin that's probably the equivalent of smacking her in the face. Poor guy has to live with her.
Oh, the other thing I just read in one essay in the book that we tend to notice and react to Shadow things more in our own gender than the opposite gender--we can ignore stuff when it's in the other gender. I guess that's where fandom's OMG U R JUS JELLUS AND U DON'T LIKE GIRLZ!!1!!1
I was thinking about this in my ballet class, mostly because I have another Shadow problem there, or maybe it's just a pet peeve. Okay, in a dance class you often split into groups to do combinations. There is this woman who always GOES WITH ALL THE GROUPS! In this case there's just the two groups, but it drives me up a tree. The point is to split up so there's room. Yes, she's just one more person, but why the hell does she get to decide that she's the person who gets to dance whenever she wants because everyone else is only going once? What if everybody just decided to do that? (And btw, we're talking about somebody who's in class with some professional dancers--not me--and is herself not even really on the level the class is at. Every time I see her doing it I start stewing. Also she always winds up standing near me so I'm wishing there wasn't somebody so close to me because I don't like people behind me and look--it's her!
I've been reading this book on the Shadow as in Jung (kind of a theme lately) and I'm reading about how the Shadow is all the things you repress in yourself, so you're enraged when you see them in other people. So somebody else could be a terrible person but wouldn't bother you as much because you're not repressing those kinds of things too much. What's horrible about it is I'm reading and knowing that my shadow…
Is post-GoF Ginny Weasley.
She's not the only one, obviously, but oh my god she so is my shadow. When I hear anyone defending her--even reasonably--I am filled with rage. Of course, being who I am (what I repress) I have to try to listen objectively and even admit when the person has a point, because I always want to be accurate and blah blah. Sometimes even I have to defend her because something's off. But what I really want to do is hex the person so that they shut up. Or say something mean that's probably like, "Don't start talking about Quidditch, you'll only embarrass yourself." Or run into the person and put them in the infirmary. This is why it's so strange when people say one must hate Ginny because one wants Harry for herself, because when Harry is liking Ginny it's hard for me to just not see him as a jerk. Like I picture them in their 30s as some dreadful couple I'd avoid. Unfortunately this isn't exactly objective canon analysis, so I can't usually just say that.
The one good thing about this is Lupin is a lot like me in this way--I mean, the kind of stuff he swallows--so maybe he hates her too. I believe when Ginny is throwing her temper tantrum in OotP Lupin quietly shuts the door. For Lupin that's probably the equivalent of smacking her in the face. Poor guy has to live with her.
Oh, the other thing I just read in one essay in the book that we tend to notice and react to Shadow things more in our own gender than the opposite gender--we can ignore stuff when it's in the other gender. I guess that's where fandom's OMG U R JUS JELLUS AND U DON'T LIKE GIRLZ!!1!!1
I was thinking about this in my ballet class, mostly because I have another Shadow problem there, or maybe it's just a pet peeve. Okay, in a dance class you often split into groups to do combinations. There is this woman who always GOES WITH ALL THE GROUPS! In this case there's just the two groups, but it drives me up a tree. The point is to split up so there's room. Yes, she's just one more person, but why the hell does she get to decide that she's the person who gets to dance whenever she wants because everyone else is only going once? What if everybody just decided to do that? (And btw, we're talking about somebody who's in class with some professional dancers--not me--and is herself not even really on the level the class is at. Every time I see her doing it I start stewing. Also she always winds up standing near me so I'm wishing there wasn't somebody so close to me because I don't like people behind me and look--it's her!
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Yeah, but then the trouble is is that the people who defend him too much may have started out annoyed at people slagging him off too much, and much of the slagging is in response to the defending (espeically in fanon) so it's a vicious cycle.
I think I get filled with rage (or something like it) when people defend Lucius, but no one really does (they say he's hot or interesting or they identify with him, but they don't tend to go all out and defend him, and if they do I blame it on the people defending him-- being not the sort of people I like-- rather than Lucius).
I think it's always just easier when it's obviously something outside canon. It tends to annoy me more when people a) claim that their reading is canon and b) other people let them get away with that, you know?
Like, are you allowed to not dislike and actually be attracted to the behaviors you won't/can't allow yourself?? I mean, I guess I've always wanted to be more 'butch' than I am, or something ^^;
Yes, absolutely. Draco is probably a Shadow of me too in the other direction. There are things about him that I don't identify as part of my personality/ego at all, but I like them, like the way he's so open emotionally and all that. So yeah, you can totally be that way in a character. It's not that any character you dislike *must* be a Shadow, because people do things we dislike for other reasons all the time. It's just if your dislike goes overboard then it's probably your Shadow. The key is you're supposed to integrate your Shadow into yourself by identifying it as part of you and accepting it so it isn't so GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN! It's just scary at first because of the deep hatred and all.
You realize who your real Shadow in HP is, don't you?
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...you know, come to think of it, I really wouldn't want Satan behind me but rather in front of me... In fact, I sort of get goosebumps imagining scaryevilomg things BEHIND ME OMG ACK. (Haven't had any sleep yet. Er. -.-)
You're right about it being a vicious cycle with people defending/attacking/defending. I really wish people stopped defending and attacking -both-, but then that's why I avoid fandom, ahahah. Except for most of my fandom friends now being 'actual' friends so I guess I'll never hear the end of Dracolove and Harrybashing for quite some while~:))
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...Hahah, I think what I don't like is fanon!Lucius and the rendition of him that most of his fans would give him :D You know, arrogant and powerful and manipulative-- I can handle. Also being kind of -right- or juustified or just not challenged-- he's like the living symbol of the patriarchy or something. It makes me shudder, but not in a good way. I mean, I often love alpha bastards, but still only if I feel they're not part of the System (on purpose-- I don't like meta that makes them part of it if their personality doesn't go for it). If we're talking other possible interpretations, I'm generally uninterested but fine. Actually, a lot of my issues with all things Slytherin & Fetish come because they're fetish more than the Slytherin part ^^;
But yeah, I don't have the greatest in-depth idea of him, I guess. But everything I ever hear from people, I don't like. I don't think I ever actually disliked a character -because- of canon. It's always been fanon, or fandom (or fans most specifically). So perhaps what I actually dislike is some fans, ahahaha :))
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The one you hate the most, of course.
Reena=Fanon!Draco
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...I... sort of know what you mean... -.-;;;;