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You know, there's really no reason to do more Kate episodes because they all come down to the same thing: Kate manipulates a man and gets her to do stuff for her, in the course of which he will be injured or killed, and then Kate cries and feels bad. The Kids in the Hall used to do a skit about Skura: The Gentle Shark, who maimed and killed people but felt really bad about it. She is Kate: The Sentimental Shark.

In the last minute she'll always do some stunt to prove that she's not a killer and she has a Heart or something (often resulting in Even More Death for Somebody Not Kate!), but Sawyer is still clearly right that basically she cares about herself and anybody stupid enough to think otherwise is going to probably wind up dead. I'd have more respect for her if she just killed people, but this whole, "Wah! Feel sorry for me for putting someone in danger and they died!" is getting a little crazy.

And apparently she's being doing it since before she hit puberty because that pre-teen romance thing was just sad--yeah, Kate was totally in love with little Time Capsule Boy. Uh-huh. Sure. And they were planning their wedding when they were 10--who are these people? This episode did, at least, give us the wonderful information that that toy plane Kate manipulated the men on the island for before belongs to another woman's husband, whom Kate got killed. So when "Rachel" (I think that was what he said his wife's name was) comes home with her 22 month old son for her parents house, she will not only be a widow, but know that her husband spent his last night alive with his twoo wuv since childhood, so she can now question whether her husband wanted to be with her. Excellent! Like Kate said, if she wants your spot, she gets your spot!

There's a cliche where guys always say that girls always go for jerks and don't like nice guys. I think Kate gives me just the barest idea of what they feel like, because Kate's power amazes me. And now she's giving Sun advice?! (I thought Sun poisoning the water was a bit OOC, btw. I know she did it, but it didn't seem like something she would do.) Kate's mother had the right idea--as soon as Kate shows up at your door, call for help. Better yet, change your name so she can't show up for old times' sake and put you in the line of fire because she's decided she can't live without her old Girl Scout badges of great sentimental value.

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What I want to know is why Walt told his dad he burned down the first raft. And what Walk saw when Locke grabbed his arm... it seemed very Dead Zone-esque, only backwards...

Walt and Locke have something going on, and I want to know what it is. Can they both see the true nature of the island? Are they both connected, to each other, on some other level? Both? Any speculation?

I've always trusted Locke... I think he knows what's best for the island members (not to mention the obvious link between his mindset and the -real- John Locke from history), and he wants to get into that hatch...

Anyway... on the coming attractions for next week: do you think everybody gets on the boat and leaves, somehow? Is that even possible? Should they trust the French lady?

I wondered if Walt wanted to leave the island because he knew the hatch was going to opened or something. Was it because of what he saw when Locke touched his arm?? I don't know!

Before it seemed like Walt and Locke were on the same page about the island, but maybe they feel differently about the hatch.

I didn't get what was going to happen next week at all. They can't all leave, but maybe they'll use the raft to fight the others? I do still love Locke, though.:-)

I got the same impression that Walt wanted to leave because of the hatch.

When Michael told him they didn't have to leave, and he said "Yes we do!", it came off as if he knew something important. The dramatic music going into crescendo was a pretty obvious clue to that, though...

How are they going to open the hatch, anyway? They already tried a freakin' TREBUCHET! What else can be done? I don't think they're going to open it. I think "The Others" are inside it, given the blatant foreshadowing by Sayid when he said "it wasn't meant to be opened from the outside..."

I think Walt told his dad he burned the first raft because he wanted to emphasize that even though he didn't want to go before, now it's REALLY IMPORTANT that they do go. Presumably because he's afraid of what'll happen if/when they open the hatch. It made sense to me, in a kid-logic kind of way.

Yes, that's what I thought too, that telling him about the raft the first time made it clear he was serious. Also it was sort of an offering. Actually, it was exactly what Locke did with Sayid, where he confessed he was the one who conked him on the head that time.

On that island honesty is like money. It's works as currency!

I didn't have the strength to be irritated. I simply started reading other stuff. Kate needs to die, but they won't kill her, so I'll pretend that she doesn't exist.

It's the best way. When they don't focus on her you can pretend she's not there. Once she shows up you know there's going to be trouble--especially if there's flashbacks.

And those flashbacks added nothing to her story. If they were meant to make me like her or feel sorry for her, they surely missed the mark. In fact, I dislike her even more.

I know--are they supposed to make us feel badly for her? Because they have the opposite effect. They show that her more annoying tendencies on the island really are who she is.

Perfectly, perfectly stated.

I didn't quite follow what was going on with the mom though. Was the guard in the hall looking for Kate? In case she came to see her mom? Post bank-robbery?

And more importantly, are those Kate's (ie the actress's) real lips?

My hunch is that Kate's daddy molested her (hence the whole "you know why I always want to run" statement on the tape), Kate (accidentally, of course) killed him, Mom freaked out, cops were called, Kate took off, hunt-for-Kate ensued, cops staked out Mom's room hoping that Kate would come back, old boyfriend winds up dead because he helped Kate, etc. But then, since I suspect that the writers are winging this whole show... I'm sure that something else completely convoluted happened to explain it all. ;-)

And more importantly, are those Kate's (ie the actress's) real lips?

Nah, they're stunt lips!

I could definitely see a molestation scenario--and since they seem to want to make her sympathetic it might appeal to the show...Everybody else gets to make their own mistakes, but Kate is damaged.

That's what I'm calling her from now on. Move over, Hot Lips!

LOL--I noticed the lips too. Lipstick is not a good look for her, I think.

I somehow got the feeling the bank robbery might have been post-this scene, but who can tell? She was already doing the Alias thing with the blond hair (which totally looked like a wig). I knew that was Kate immediately, not just because it had to be, but because she has a very distinctive walk.

I guess the guard might have been specifically waiting for her, which is all the more reason she was an idiot for showing up.

Why would she rob a bank while she was running from the cops? Was the robbery in the US or Australia? I forget.

Wait...I just remembered, was the little plane in the safety deposit box at the bank she robbed?

Yes! Which means this was totally pre-robbery!

I can't believe we're actually putting effort into figuring out Kate's plot. From now on, following Kai, I'm calling her "Stunt Lips."

I was totally hoping that the little plane was going to have Mystical Island Significance. Now that we know it was just a remembrance from some boyfriend dude... that's annoying.

Hee, you do have Kate's number. And yes, TMI. Let's move on.

Yes-how many times can they make the same point about her? They even do it on the island.

Up till now I've been pretty neutral about Kate. She came off as a woman just cursed with this HORRIBLE judgment, which I thought was cause she'd been damaged and couldn't see things clearly till it was too late.

Still think that, except that now I've come to dislike her intensely for it. Its true... knowing more about her past didn't help, cause Kate is basically Jinx Girl who will suck you into a cloud of misfortune that dogs her steps and somehow spares her, but fries everyone else she gets to know pretty much on contact.

Yeah - I think she needs to go. What 's left to discover about her? We know now why that little plane meant so much to her and she's confessed about the marshal. What remains except to find even more innovative ways for her to get people around her killed?

Interestingly enough, my daughter hated her on sight from the first show on. Whenever Kate was featured in a scene daughter could be heard muttering "hooker..." A tad shocking for mom to hear... but now I find I'm finally empathizing with that sentiment.

Yes, that is the way she seems. And the girl with really bad judgment doesn't have to be annoying. Maybe if we could see something else besides super!girl vs. jinx!girl. It's a shame the women on the show continue to be the more annoying-Shannon's wanting revenge for Boone was kind of ridiculous too, because she was just as poisonous as Kate!

Your daughter cracks me up--I can see what she means, totally.

God. Kate is the most totally loathesome Mary Sue ever.

Seriously. Super powers, everyone loves her even when they wouldn't, causes trouble and gets sympathy for it. She must be stopped.

You realize that now whenever I see Kate I'll be hearing that KITH song in my head?

(Skura... Skura... Skura the gentle shaaaaaark...)

My work here is done.

I never had a problem with Kate but now I hate her. Not only was she stupid and selfish in this episode she used up an episode of flashbacks with uselessness!

I gotta say I'm not sure who I'm more scared of Walt of Locke. Locke is not gonna let a pesky thing like common sense stop him from getting inside the hatch. Where did that light come from? And did anyone else notice Shannon looking all scrubby and like she has actaully been stranded on an island for weeks and weeks?

Yeah, before I could go back and forth on Kate. She'd always been this way but maybe it had some purpose. Now it's just like--enough! The woman has left a trail of bodies from Iowa to Australia!

There is something really frightening about Locke and Walt at odds because, like you said, which one is crazier? And why are they in disagreement on this one thing when they agreed about the raft? Very creepy.

Interesting about Shannon--I didn't notice at all.

OK, I'm going to answer this before reading the other responses, so bare with me, if I repeat anything anyone has said.

But first off, as season finale, wasn't this episode VERY anti-climactic? I would have expected it to at least end with some huge cliff-hanger, like they finally get to open the hatch, or some clue about the other people on the island, or something. Instead it's just boring Kate-episode. Most of the other characters manage to make me feel something for them when they have their episodes, but Kate, it doesn't matter how much she cries, she just leaves me cold.

I prayed that this wouldn't be another Jack-episode, and as it started with shots of different women I was like "phew, it's probably not", then it seemed to focus on a girl with blond, curly hair, so I figured it might be Claire, which I thought could be in place, since she's only had one ep. I was so disappointed. Kate has turned into my second least favourite character of the show, and this is her third ep, while others had had just one. *headdesk*

As for Sun poisoning the water, I'm not sure I thought it OOC (especially not when it turned out Kate had talked her into it), but I thought Jack's sense of morality was sort of... weird. "I don't see why anyone else would need to know." Uh-hu? Except that now everybody suspects two other persons, who might risk not getting a spot on that raft? The twist that Kate had talked Sun into it was the only thing interesting about the episode, since it means she sort of did do it after all. And I won't buy that she didn't have that ulterior agenda for a second.

Oh, that wasn't the finale (thank goodness). The finale is, I think, on 5/25 and it will be 2 hours.

I was thinking the same thing about Kate's crying, because I don't mind Evangeline Lily as an actress. When she was crying in the car I thought she was quite believable. I just didn't care because Kate cries every five minutes, and always for herself. Kate's not only had 3 episodes, but they're pretty much all the same story.

Uh-hu? Except that now everybody suspects two other persons, who might risk not getting a spot on that raft? The twist that Kate had talked Sun into it was the only thing interesting about the episode, since it means she sort of did do it after all. And I won't buy that she didn't have that ulterior agenda for a second.

That's exactly what I thought about the whole thing. Kate talking her into it was at least an explanation for why she did something she didn't seem like she'd come up with on her own, and what is up with nobody caring when other people are Falsely Accused? Jinn had Michael at his throat for burning that raft, and the poisoned water stunt had Sawyer and Michael saying some pretty nasty things. I was kind of amazed when Kate expected Sawyer to apologize for telling her secret when she had, like he said, practically threatened to steal his spot on the raft. Not to mention she really was the culprit in a way. But it's not like she felt she should apologize to him for giving Sun the idea that got him accused. Frankly, Sawyer was right: Kate really does only care about herself. Interestingly, Sawyer was willing to be tortured for something he didn't do earlier, but Kate seems to spend her own life running from punishment and hurting others in the process. Then she still considers herself an innocent victim, like the only behavior that counts is the one she's falsely accused of.

I hope she does have an ulterior motive for telling Sun what to do--the idea of her doing it out of the goodness of her heart is silly. I think she had good reason for not wanting the raft to go, or for leaving with it, and it's typical Kate that she'd manipulate somebody else into doing her dirty work so that she could still be self-righteous about it.

Heh, I just keep assuming that all American shows have exactly 22 episodes in one season. But it's great to hear there's more, and that the season finale probably will be more climactic than this. I justt hope that neither of these last episodes will be Jack-centric. They won't be Kate-centric, since she had one now. I'd prefer it not to be Sawyer-centric either, though I prefer him over the other two.

Kate's not only had 3 episodes, but they're pretty much all the same story.

Yeah. Though I'd say the same for Jack's.

and what is up with nobody caring when other people are Falsely Accused? Jinn had Michael at his throat for burning that raft, and the poisoned water stunt had Sawyer and Michael saying some pretty nasty things.

Yeah. But at least when Walt burned the shaft down, Locke managed to get the others to think that none of the plane-crash people were the culpable. But still...

I was kind of amazed when Kate expected Sawyer to apologize for telling her secret when she had, like he said, practically threatened to steal his spot on the raft. Not to mention she really was the culprit in a way. But it's not like she felt she should apologize to him for giving Sun the idea that got him accused.

Yeah, and even more amazing was that Sawyer for some reason seemed to think that he ought to apologise, he just "wasn't the type to do it". Eh, I don't buy that he would in any way feel that an apology would be merited, but I suppose that just adds up to another of those magical effects Kate obviously has on men.

I think she had good reason for not wanting the raft to go, or for leaving with it, and it's typical Kate that she'd manipulate somebody else into doing her dirty work so that she could still be self-righteous about it.

Yeeah, she was awfully quick to ask if Micheal's spot was now open.

When Kate said that she knew how to sail, the first person I thought of was you. The ultimate Mary-Sue. She even sails. What DOESN'T she know how to do?

I know! Nancy Drew has NOTHING on her!

I hate Kate. I'm glad her name's Kate, so I can rhyme my hate.

LOL! I was talking to somebody today who actually likes her. I just don't get it. She thinks she's a villain, though.

Heya. After having watched Lost on DVDs I went and searched for people's posts on it from last season. This is the first one I found.

I actually didn't have that exact opinion of Kate. I mean, I do, in a way, except that as a character she fascinates me instead of annoys me. I didn't consider what's-his-face's death to be the same as her treatment of other people. She seemed to really feel guitly about that, to really have loved him, and she considered herself to have killed him even though I didn't think it was exactly her fault. Her treatment of others, though, seems to be exactly the way US Marshall guy said. She's cold.

Though I hadn't really noticed the show doing a constant "wah feel sorry for me for putting someone in danger". I thought this was the only example of it. And while I didn't really feel sorry for her, I did think this was genuine heartbreak for her. Whereas I don't think she cared much about anyone else she's left behind. (I do think she's genuinely attached to Jack, but she doesn't entirely want to be.)

Um anyways I'm just randomly speculating. I haven't seen any 2nd season. Apparantly next week you find out what she did. (tell me nothing!) :) But I found that I liked Kate. She's not a good person. But I liked her.

Kate has totally gone up in my estimation now that they've introduced this new woman in the second season. I seem to remember spending a lot of last week's episode wanting her to meet Kate and for Kate to kick her ass.:-)

HA I keep hearing about this new woman that everyone hates. I've been trying hard to stay away from the spoilers and yet I still keep hearing about her.

See, the characters you hate are good for something: they are damn impolite to the other assholes. That's one thing I valued Sawyer for, even when I hated every second he was on screen: he was going to tell the main characters exactly what they didn't want to hear about themselves.

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