As usual Magpie, you present us all with interesting, worthy ideas to speak about. Here are some of the stronger post you’ve made.
[These] figures are something we use to discuss what we admire, what we want to be. I think…this is just a common way of processing the world. People have always done it.
Right on… this sort of thing seems hard wired into our psyches and cntrary toward being Here we’re referencing the power of symbols for going straight past the conscious mind and touching more instinctual levels… something very powerful, potentially.
I agree completely Whether it was some medieval common person looking up at a knight on his war horse or Romans idolizing gladiators the ‘Hey.. wow…. that’s COOL… he’s coool…” seems to be hardwired into our systems somehow. Modern day fandom is just another kind of “looking up” – a continuation of an age old phenomenon.
When we debate about scenes or characters we really are arguing about different ways of seeing the world, and that's not, imo, a waste of time or having no life.
What’s key here is the concept of “life” as being mutually exclusive from the intense discussion/debate over intangible ideas. IMHO if a “life” is to be healthy needs to include a lot of debate over things you can’t touch, hear or taste. It’s a good workout for the brain, for one thing.
The celebrity or character or idea you like says something about who you are… in what you've chosen to stand for. The object of your attention simply gives you a good context in which to discuss it…by how you talk about that character or celebrity.
Can’t agree more. Celebrities or characters or pop culture ideas then can serve the purpose of a litmus test of sorts, not for the measuring of “right ideas”, but rather referring back to the values and personality and commitment of the individual fan.
I always get very uncomfortable when people judge actions too narrowly, like that there's only one way to express love or sorrow, and anything else means you don't measure up in that department.
As I recall writer Scott Peck commonly uses phrase like “the cause/reason was overdetermined”, by which he means attributed to one, single aspect or factor while ignoring other influences, to describe this sort of thing. I think “overdeterminating” actions as a method of processing is key to the underlying sloppy thinking you’re commenting on here.
Just my contribution to the pile rapidly forming at your feet Ms. M.
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Date: 2005-05-29 07:02 pm (UTC)[These] figures are something we use to discuss what we admire, what we want to be. I think…this is just a common way of processing the world. People have always done it.
Right on… this sort of thing seems hard wired into our psyches and cntrary toward being Here we’re referencing the power of symbols for going straight past the conscious mind and touching more instinctual levels… something very powerful, potentially.
I agree completely Whether it was some medieval common person looking up at a knight on his war horse or Romans idolizing gladiators the ‘Hey.. wow…. that’s COOL… he’s coool…” seems to be hardwired into our systems somehow. Modern day fandom is just another kind of “looking up” – a continuation of an age old phenomenon.
When we debate about scenes or characters we really are arguing about different ways of seeing the world, and that's not, imo, a waste of time or having no life.
What’s key here is the concept of “life” as being mutually exclusive from the intense discussion/debate over intangible ideas. IMHO if a “life” is to be healthy needs to include a lot of debate over things you can’t touch, hear or taste. It’s a good workout for the brain, for one thing.
The celebrity or character or idea you like says something about who you are… in what you've chosen to stand for. The object of your attention simply gives you a good context in which to discuss it…by how you talk about that character or celebrity.
Can’t agree more. Celebrities or characters or pop culture ideas then can serve the purpose of a litmus test of sorts, not for the measuring of “right ideas”, but rather referring back to the values and personality and commitment of the individual fan.
I always get very uncomfortable when people judge actions too narrowly, like that there's only one way to express love or sorrow, and anything else means you don't measure up in that department.
As I recall writer Scott Peck commonly uses phrase like “the cause/reason was overdetermined”, by which he means attributed to one, single aspect or factor while ignoring other influences, to describe this sort of thing. I think “overdeterminating” actions as a method of processing is key to the underlying sloppy thinking you’re commenting on here.
Just my contribution to the pile rapidly forming at your feet Ms. M.