Weeelllll... alfskjaslkj oh man. If you think Lily just feels sorry for poor ugly Snape, then I can't say anything :P I'm torn whether I think that's a valid interpretation or not-- since it's not like we get Lily's pov one way or the other. But it's certainly quite a cynical viewpoint, haha. Oh man. She was a child, right-- and they took to each other naturally, unless you think at 11 years old, she was 'just pretending' for some reason and 'just tolerating' him even though they seemed to hang out a lot, in school and out. Her relationship with her sister suffered, too, and wouldn't she have chosen her sister over Snape if he didn't mean that much to her? I see it as being complicated; he hurt her a lot with the Mudblood comment, and by the time the pantsing happened, they'd already reached a low point at the verge of 'splitting up'. I mean, Snape *was* a nasty jerk, and it's possibly a toss-up whether James was 'as bad', but basically she wasn't friends with James. She may have had an appreciation for 'mean humor', and may even have been feeling a bit vindictive by then, but... I think it's pretty clear to me, at least, that Lily cared for Snape and that Snape messed things up. Uh, but that's a whole 'nother subject. Er. Also, Snape & Lily had more than one scene together, non?
As for James & Lily, indeed they don't have more than 2-- one at the train first year and one with the pantsing. That's why I said it's more the 'legendary' status (that makes it grand romance) and also lots of implication/set-up elements. So the change James makes is by implication, but it's clear he's not the boy he was-- he became a Head Boy, he stopped messing around with Sirius so much, he was the one being recriminating about the Shack. Also, it doesn't make sense otherwise (unless he changed)-- unless you say Lily's distaste was fake. And I don't think it was just 'cause there's no reason for her to fake it... she could've accepted him much earlier, but didn't. She wasn't a saint, but she had her own ideas of behavior that she applied to both Snape & James... though it's true people (and JKR) overdo the righteousness. I think her extraordinariness is more in the effect she has on others, as I said-- as a catalyst. And she really is the only one who loved Snape (I think), so that in itself puts her in a party of one, hahah.
I don't think there's evidence she *enjoyed* Snape's 'smackdown'... certainly not in a gleeful way, which would imply she actually felt the same as James & Sirius about him, which makes no sense. They were both angry at each other; Snape was humiliated so he lashed out (Mudblood!), she was angry and hurt, shocked, etc. I don't think Snape would've cared for her unless she genuinely showed interest in him-- though he immediately got attached to her being pretty and also a Muggleborn, it can't be enough to explain the entire relationship. She could only have been genuinely outraged by James & Sirius' behavior on the train and afterwards-- certainly, Snape didn't deserve it then. And when Snape did deserve it, she told him-- she asked him to stop, questioned his choice of friends, etc, rather than just immediately looking down at him. With James, it's a lot more muddled, clearly, as for what happened-- but clearly (at least to me), *something* did. James was always different from Sirius, at least in that Sirius looked to James, but James looked to Lily (almost like Snape did). Even if it was fake on some level, I think he had to have 'cleaned up' for Lily, and it's clear he really loved her a lot, which was my main point, anyway: the most dramatic love. He died for her! heh. Though in that sense he's more than tied with Snape; Snape, however, never changed-- or indeed did anything-- while she lived.
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Date: 2008-10-02 09:00 pm (UTC)As for James & Lily, indeed they don't have more than 2-- one at the train first year and one with the pantsing. That's why I said it's more the 'legendary' status (that makes it grand romance) and also lots of implication/set-up elements. So the change James makes is by implication, but it's clear he's not the boy he was-- he became a Head Boy, he stopped messing around with Sirius so much, he was the one being recriminating about the Shack. Also, it doesn't make sense otherwise (unless he changed)-- unless you say Lily's distaste was fake. And I don't think it was just 'cause there's no reason for her to fake it... she could've accepted him much earlier, but didn't. She wasn't a saint, but she had her own ideas of behavior that she applied to both Snape & James... though it's true people (and JKR) overdo the righteousness. I think her extraordinariness is more in the effect she has on others, as I said-- as a catalyst. And she really is the only one who loved Snape (I think), so that in itself puts her in a party of one, hahah.
I don't think there's evidence she *enjoyed* Snape's 'smackdown'... certainly not in a gleeful way, which would imply she actually felt the same as James & Sirius about him, which makes no sense. They were both angry at each other; Snape was humiliated so he lashed out (Mudblood!), she was angry and hurt, shocked, etc. I don't think Snape would've cared for her unless she genuinely showed interest in him-- though he immediately got attached to her being pretty and also a Muggleborn, it can't be enough to explain the entire relationship. She could only have been genuinely outraged by James & Sirius' behavior on the train and afterwards-- certainly, Snape didn't deserve it then. And when Snape did deserve it, she told him-- she asked him to stop, questioned his choice of friends, etc, rather than just immediately looking down at him. With James, it's a lot more muddled, clearly, as for what happened-- but clearly (at least to me), *something* did. James was always different from Sirius, at least in that Sirius looked to James, but James looked to Lily (almost like Snape did). Even if it was fake on some level, I think he had to have 'cleaned up' for Lily, and it's clear he really loved her a lot, which was my main point, anyway: the most dramatic love. He died for her! heh. Though in that sense he's more than tied with Snape; Snape, however, never changed-- or indeed did anything-- while she lived.