I remember one of the responses made in your last post about how each Slytherin has their specific social place in the house, without making it seem as though the "stronger" Slytherins oppress the "weaker" ones; I totally agree. I can't imagine a weak Slytherin, nor can I imagine one that would willingly take shite from another (or anyone else, really). I expect they learn at a young age not to trust many in the school (Especially when you have other students hissing at you for making it into your House).
I've always found it kind of fascinating how different Slytherin seems to be from the little we see. Pre-OotP I kept meaning to write something comparing the Slytherin group we always see (Draco, Crabbe, Goyle and then Pansy) with the Trio. Because people are always so quick to set them up as the "real" friends (Trio) vs. the "fake," and say that because Crabbe and Goyle are obviously underlings they're not really friends. And I do understand the case for being friends with equals (it's certainly what I prefer), but at the same time many people have had friendship groups that were based more on a hierarchy--particularly boys, I think. It kind of fascinated me the way that Draco's little system was so ordered: He was the leader and when Pansy stepped in Crabbe and Goyle immediately knew she had a place as beside Draco, like as his girl (whether or not they were actually dating).
Whereas the Trio in book 4 was going through more problems because Harry wasn't really taking the leadership role, and Ron felt sort of threatened by that--like, if Harry had let him in on his supposed plan to get into the GoF Ron probably would have assisted in getting Harry's name in, but he feels betrayed when he thinks Harry did it without him. And then Hermione, as the girl, also is also having some issues almost because she's never had an identity as "the girl" before.
OotP changed things in that Harry definitely became the leader, but there was still, imo, some unresolved issues on that score. It's not that I'm saying the Trio's friendship doesn't work well or anything, but it fascinates me to compare that model with what we seem to see in Slytherin, which is more of a hierarchy. Like, Flint yelled at Draco for missing the Snitch in CoS, and I get the sense it was understood that this was acceptable, since Draco was an underling. Even the little of Draco's style we see seems based on a leadership idea--the way he might be sort of jocularly bullying to C&G in the commonroom scene, but then always share his candy with them.
Heh. I think I'm just still thinking about tonight's episode of The Sopranos. Same type idea, but no killing or breaking of kneecaps yet that we've seen.:-) And Pansy could be easily have the role of a woman in that type of family.
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Date: 2004-03-21 08:43 pm (UTC)I've always found it kind of fascinating how different Slytherin seems to be from the little we see. Pre-OotP I kept meaning to write something comparing the Slytherin group we always see (Draco, Crabbe, Goyle and then Pansy) with the Trio. Because people are always so quick to set them up as the "real" friends (Trio) vs. the "fake," and say that because Crabbe and Goyle are obviously underlings they're not really friends. And I do understand the case for being friends with equals (it's certainly what I prefer), but at the same time many people have had friendship groups that were based more on a hierarchy--particularly boys, I think. It kind of fascinated me the way that Draco's little system was so ordered: He was the leader and when Pansy stepped in Crabbe and Goyle immediately knew she had a place as beside Draco, like as his girl (whether or not they were actually dating).
Whereas the Trio in book 4 was going through more problems because Harry wasn't really taking the leadership role, and Ron felt sort of threatened by that--like, if Harry had let him in on his supposed plan to get into the GoF Ron probably would have assisted in getting Harry's name in, but he feels betrayed when he thinks Harry did it without him. And then Hermione, as the girl, also is also having some issues almost because she's never had an identity as "the girl" before.
OotP changed things in that Harry definitely became the leader, but there was still, imo, some unresolved issues on that score. It's not that I'm saying the Trio's friendship doesn't work well or anything, but it fascinates me to compare that model with what we seem to see in Slytherin, which is more of a hierarchy. Like, Flint yelled at Draco for missing the Snitch in CoS, and I get the sense it was understood that this was acceptable, since Draco was an underling. Even the little of Draco's style we see seems based on a leadership idea--the way he might be sort of jocularly bullying to C&G in the commonroom scene, but then always share his candy with them.
Heh. I think I'm just still thinking about tonight's episode of The Sopranos. Same type idea, but no killing or breaking of kneecaps yet that we've seen.:-) And Pansy could be easily have the role of a woman in that type of family.