Hermione creeps me out for a different reason than Ron and Harry - she's the moral voice, and issues occur to her that the boys are frighteningly close-minded to, but she's placated extremely easily. I think me and Magpie were discussing this on this lj *digs* Ah here - http://www.livejournal.com/users/sistermagpie/60909.html?thread=1290989#t1290989 And there's her idea for those DA coins 'I got the idea from the DeathEaters!', and subsequently the hexing of Marietta, and leading Umbridge into the forest... And interestingly, a little excerpt from the DADA class in OotP:
Professor Umbridge blinked but recovered her poise almost instantly. 'Well, then, you should be able to tell me what Slinkhard says about counter-jinxes in Chapter Fifteen.' 'He says that counter-jinxes are improperly named,' said Hermione promptly. 'He says "counter-jinx" is just a name people give their jinxes when they want to make them sound more acceptable.' Professor Umbridge raised her eyebrows and Harry knew she was impressed, against her will. 'But I disagree,' Hermione continued. Professor Umbridge's eyebrows rose a little higher and her gaze became distinctly colder. 'You disagree?' she repeated. 'Yes, I do,' said Hermione, who, unlike Umbridge, was not whispering, but speaking in a clear, carrying voice that had by now attracted the attention of the rest of the class. 'Mr Slinkhard doesn't like jinxes, does he? But I think they can be very useful when they're used defensively.'
She is the only one who thinks teachers should be respected, and rules should be followed, but of course that's an attitude she really needs to lose if she wants to be a Good Guy, and in OotP I think we're seeing her on that slippery slope. (Incidentally, I loathed her "change" in PS/SS after the Troll Incident - what the fuck was wrong with the way she was before, apart perhaps from the overeagerness?! Become more rule-breaking, and you become the hero's friend. Thank you, but no, thank you.)
Yeah, I noticed that. Seems a fairly common pattern with Harry's relationships though - a person has to ally themself with his moral view, or else suffer the consequences. And Ron's come to think of it...Perhaps it's on the Gryffindor crest, along with Loyalty, Bravery and Being Better than Everyone Else. Interestingly, it's usually Harry's friends, not him who make the first move in apologizing. I think there was a discussion about it, here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/go_back_chief/12838.html?thread=160038#t160038
And don't let me get started on the AR, or on super-strong heroes who nevertheless get to be the poor widdle victim if they want to, or how Buffy beating Spike to a pulp is excusable, but Spike's one truly violent act towards her isn't.
I loathe how everything had to be engineered so that Buffy was injured and helpless in her grey robe of Victimization. And how beating someone up pre and post sex is ok - if you're a girl! Or how you can you initiate a sexual relationship based on the premise that 'No' means 'Yes' and then complain when 'this time, I actually meant no!'
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Date: 2004-09-03 04:02 am (UTC)I think me and Magpie were discussing this on this lj *digs*
Ah here - http://www.livejournal.com/users/sistermagpie/60909.html?thread=1290989#t1290989
And there's her idea for those DA coins 'I got the idea from the DeathEaters!', and subsequently the hexing of Marietta, and leading Umbridge into the forest...
And interestingly, a little excerpt from the DADA class in OotP:
Professor Umbridge blinked but recovered her poise almost instantly.
'Well, then, you should be able to tell me what Slinkhard says about counter-jinxes in Chapter Fifteen.'
'He says that counter-jinxes are improperly named,' said Hermione promptly. 'He says "counter-jinx" is just a name people give their jinxes when they want to make them sound more acceptable.'
Professor Umbridge raised her eyebrows and Harry knew she was impressed, against her will.
'But I disagree,' Hermione continued.
Professor Umbridge's eyebrows rose a little higher and her gaze became distinctly colder.
'You disagree?' she repeated.
'Yes, I do,' said Hermione, who, unlike Umbridge, was not whispering, but speaking in a clear, carrying voice that had by now attracted the attention of the rest of the class. 'Mr Slinkhard doesn't like jinxes, does he? But I think they can be very useful when they're used defensively.'
She is the only one who thinks teachers should be respected, and rules should be followed, but of course that's an attitude she really needs to lose if she wants to be a Good Guy, and in OotP I think we're seeing her on that slippery slope. (Incidentally, I loathed her "change" in PS/SS after the Troll Incident - what the fuck was wrong with the way she was before, apart perhaps from the overeagerness?! Become more rule-breaking, and you become the hero's friend. Thank you, but no, thank you.)
Yeah, I noticed that. Seems a fairly common pattern with Harry's relationships though - a person has to ally themself with his moral view, or else suffer the consequences.
And Ron's come to think of it...Perhaps it's on the Gryffindor crest, along with Loyalty, Bravery and Being Better than Everyone Else.
Interestingly, it's usually Harry's friends, not him who make the first move in apologizing.
I think there was a discussion about it, here:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/go_back_chief/12838.html?thread=160038#t160038
And don't let me get started on the AR, or on super-strong heroes who nevertheless get to be the poor widdle victim if they want to, or how Buffy beating Spike to a pulp is excusable, but Spike's one truly violent act towards her isn't.
I loathe how everything had to be engineered so that Buffy was injured and helpless in her grey robe of Victimization.
And how beating someone up pre and post sex is ok - if you're a girl!
Or how you can you initiate a sexual relationship based on the premise that 'No' means 'Yes' and then complain when 'this time, I actually meant no!'