Thanks for the links! I especially appreciated the Montague quotes, since I didn't remember them in detail. The way they can just dismiss someone being seriously injured like that because he is a Slytherin, and tried to take points is very, very creepy, but not nearly as much as the fact that they get away with this, that the book doesn't seem to see this as particularly serious. I mean, of course trying to take points is an offense punishable by permanent brain damage!
I was very disturbed by this, partly of course because of the Harry's and Ron's mindset, but even more so because of JKR's. If I'm not misreading this, JKR doesn't see anything fundamentally wrong with the way the Trio is acting here. Certainly they're never called on their behaviour/attitude.
Hermione creeps me out for a different reason than Ron and Harry - she's the moral voice, and issues occur to her that the boys are frighteningly close-minded to, but she's placated extremely easily.
Again, I wouldn't mind all this at all if it were dealt with as a problem - if this were Hermione's Descent into Darkness. But the books seem to see all of this as perfectly acceptable, right down to the Montague issue, the treatment of Marietta (the hexing, and the memory charms), the hexing of Draco & Co. on the train, and leading Umbridge to the centaurs.
Hermione is no sort of moral voice to me; there doesn't seem to be any ethical conviction behind her words. She brings up moral issues in the same way she brings up minor infractions of rules and doesn't seem to see a difference between not helping Montague, turning someone into a ferret, and being out after curfew. I completely agree with sistermagpie here: So it usually winds up with me almost feeling like Hermione brings this stuff up just to have it explained away for her.
And with regard to Umbridge, the jinx-and-counter-jinx discussion was one of the places where Umbridge was definitely right, but the text applauds the opposite simply for "standing up to her." Just like Harry's monumental stupidity (or should I say masochism) that drove him to antagonise her again and again, even knowing what he'd get for it. I can sympathise much more readily with Draco's way of dealing with the Umbridge situation.
I loathe how everything had to be engineered so that Buffy was injured and helpless in her grey robe of Victimization. And how beating someone up pre and post sex is ok - if you're a girl! Or how you can you initiate a sexual relationship based on the premise that 'No' means 'Yes' and then complain when 'this time, I actually meant no!'
Or how Xander, for example, gets away scot-free with the consequences of his idiotic second love-spell in "OMWF", despite the fact that he actually killed people here, whereas Spike is The Devil even for things he didn't actually go through with.
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Date: 2004-09-03 05:35 am (UTC)I was very disturbed by this, partly of course because of the Harry's and Ron's mindset, but even more so because of JKR's. If I'm not misreading this, JKR doesn't see anything fundamentally wrong with the way the Trio is acting here. Certainly they're never called on their behaviour/attitude.
Hermione creeps me out for a different reason than Ron and Harry - she's the moral voice, and issues occur to her that the boys are frighteningly close-minded to, but she's placated extremely easily.
Again, I wouldn't mind all this at all if it were dealt with as a problem - if this were Hermione's Descent into Darkness. But the books seem to see all of this as perfectly acceptable, right down to the Montague issue, the treatment of Marietta (the hexing, and the memory charms), the hexing of Draco & Co. on the train, and leading Umbridge to the centaurs.
Hermione is no sort of moral voice to me; there doesn't seem to be any ethical conviction behind her words. She brings up moral issues in the same way she brings up minor infractions of rules and doesn't seem to see a difference between not helping Montague, turning someone into a ferret, and being out after curfew. I completely agree with
And with regard to Umbridge, the jinx-and-counter-jinx discussion was one of the places where Umbridge was definitely right, but the text applauds the opposite simply for "standing up to her." Just like Harry's monumental stupidity (or should I say masochism) that drove him to antagonise her again and again, even knowing what he'd get for it. I can sympathise much more readily with Draco's way of dealing with the Umbridge situation.
I loathe how everything had to be engineered so that Buffy was injured and helpless in her grey robe of Victimization.
And how beating someone up pre and post sex is ok - if you're a girl!
Or how you can you initiate a sexual relationship based on the premise that 'No' means 'Yes' and then complain when 'this time, I actually meant no!'
Or how Xander, for example, gets away scot-free with the consequences of his idiotic second love-spell in "OMWF", despite the fact that he actually killed people here, whereas Spike is The Devil even for things he didn't actually go through with.