I am not getting any e-mail and I don't know why. They just started coming, but anything from today before the last ten minutes seems to be gone.

I've been reading this book on the Shadow as in Jung (kind of a theme lately) and I'm reading about how the Shadow is all the things you repress in yourself, so you're enraged when you see them in other people. So somebody else could be a terrible person but wouldn't bother you as much because you're not repressing those kinds of things too much. What's horrible about it is I'm reading and knowing that my shadow…

Is post-GoF Ginny Weasley.

She's not the only one, obviously, but oh my god she so is my shadow. When I hear anyone defending her--even reasonably--I am filled with rage. Of course, being who I am (what I repress) I have to try to listen objectively and even admit when the person has a point, because I always want to be accurate and blah blah. Sometimes even I have to defend her because something's off. But what I really want to do is hex the person so that they shut up. Or say something mean that's probably like, "Don't start talking about Quidditch, you'll only embarrass yourself." Or run into the person and put them in the infirmary. This is why it's so strange when people say one must hate Ginny because one wants Harry for herself, because when Harry is liking Ginny it's hard for me to just not see him as a jerk. Like I picture them in their 30s as some dreadful couple I'd avoid. Unfortunately this isn't exactly objective canon analysis, so I can't usually just say that.

The one good thing about this is Lupin is a lot like me in this way--I mean, the kind of stuff he swallows--so maybe he hates her too. I believe when Ginny is throwing her temper tantrum in OotP Lupin quietly shuts the door. For Lupin that's probably the equivalent of smacking her in the face. Poor guy has to live with her.

Oh, the other thing I just read in one essay in the book that we tend to notice and react to Shadow things more in our own gender than the opposite gender--we can ignore stuff when it's in the other gender. I guess that's where fandom's OMG U R JUS JELLUS AND U DON'T LIKE GIRLZ!!1!!1

I was thinking about this in my ballet class, mostly because I have another Shadow problem there, or maybe it's just a pet peeve. Okay, in a dance class you often split into groups to do combinations. There is this woman who always GOES WITH ALL THE GROUPS! In this case there's just the two groups, but it drives me up a tree. The point is to split up so there's room. Yes, she's just one more person, but why the hell does she get to decide that she's the person who gets to dance whenever she wants because everyone else is only going once? What if everybody just decided to do that? (And btw, we're talking about somebody who's in class with some professional dancers--not me--and is herself not even really on the level the class is at. Every time I see her doing it I start stewing. Also she always winds up standing near me so I'm wishing there wasn't somebody so close to me because I don't like people behind me and look--it's her!
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From: [identity profile] cressida0201.livejournal.com


Are you a Jane Austen fan at all? I wonder if this phenomenon might account for the really amazing amount of vitriol which gets directed at Fanny Price. I've always thought it seemed out of all proportion.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


Hee! I am a Jane Austen fan and once I did a post about characters people hated. I listed my own and Fanny was one of them! I don't hate her the way that I hate Ginny, but I definitely remembered her as a character that made me go AAAAH! when I was reading. I definitely think you're right about her.

From: [identity profile] cressida0201.livejournal.com


Oh dear. I like Fanny--and I actually went into the book expecting not to like her. I'm sure she'd make me roll my eyes at time if she were real and I knew her, but I've never really understood why she makes some people foam at the mouth. It's hard to listen to, for someone who basically likes the character.

As for Ginny, I felt pretty neutral about her through GoF except for an uncomfortable feeling that she was probably destined to be Harry's Love Interest and a wish that JKR would actually make me like her before springing that on me. I warmed up to her a bit in OotP, but still wasn't quite convinced ... and then HBP hit and I'm still trying to work out how I feel about her there. On the one hand, it's not one of those things where I can feel my blood pressure rising as I read--but on the other hand, she so thoroughly failed to charm me in any way.

The only character I can think of off the top of my head who makes my blood pressure rise just to read or discuss is Túrin. What a PRICK.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


I don't even remember a lot of the stuff about Fanny now--but I remembered that when I was reading it there were times she annoyed me. I also listed Helen from Jane Eyre, though I remember her more.:-) But I remember a lot of people listed Fanny as a character they hated. She does inspire it.

I had no problems with Ginny pre-OotP, and then I just couldn't stand her. It's difficult realizing how this post really is accurate--she's totally my shadow. Suddenly I can see this pattern in my life of Ginny popping out of me. Yipes.

From: [identity profile] bramble-bea.livejournal.com


The only character I can think of off the top of my head who makes my blood pressure rise just to read or discuss is Túrin. What a PRICK.

Hear, hear. The only single positive thing I can think of to say about the so-called greatest of human heroes is that I'm pretty sure Tolkien knew exactly just how unlikeable the wanker really was. How two people like Húrin and Morwen ever had the misfortune of being parents of the little twerp is beyond me. Mind, Thingol was basically responsible for bringing him up, so I blame it on the Elves.

The problem I for one have with Fanny Price is not that I dislike her, because while reading the book I actually did, in a rather absentminded way. But she is very much passive, even among Austen's heroines, and the fact that she is contrasted with the more vital Mary doesn't help. (And having her marry Edmund, and have lots of priggish children, will certanly not make me like like her, thankyouverymuch.)

(Mind, I only ever read the book once, about a decade ago, and first impressions made so long ago may not be - I hesitate on correct, because what opionions are? – based on the actual facts of the book.)
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