Happy birthday, [livejournal.com profile] _rp_zeal!!

Walking by the moving theater near me I realized they were doing that tricky thing they sometimes do right after the Oscars, which is to show one of the BP nominations--and here you must understand this particular theater usually doesn't like to show anything that doesn't have a number after its title. Knowing the movie wouldn't be there for long, I ran in to see it.

Shallow as it sounds, I think I now have crushes on everyone in the movie. It's funny, I was talking on [livejournal.com profile] jlh's lj about Crash and agreeing that you just can't feel close to anyone in the movie because of the structure, the way it just hops around with everyone having to be their archetypal selves. Yet in GNaGL you've got all these character, many of whom look alike--all in white shirts and plan suits, the same haircuts. There's not always an effort to distinguish the minor ones. And yet, they all seem like completely real people. Their commitment to what they're doing ties them all together, yet in the opposite way of Crash, for me. They don't seem like characters supporting the ideas of the filmmaker with little else about them, they seem like characters who share the movies interest in its ideas who do have lives outside them but at the moment this happens to be the biggest thing in their lives.

It's also a scary movie. You can't help to compare it to the way these issues are dealt with now and without wanting to fall into the "things were so much better then" I found myself on one hand enjoying the careful, methodical way our heroes combat McCarthy while otoh thinking how it wouldn't work today. There's a commercial run during the show. The hook is that according to surveys viewers of that show are more highly educated than average, are intelligent, and are not easily swayed by advertising (which is why they should smoke Kents!). It just struck me how different it was to be able to appeal to people for being intelligent and linking intelligence to education. Not because you can't be intelligent without a certain degree, obviously. In the 50s even fewer people probably had those degrees. It was more that it was linking intelligence to a formal, unemotional, critical thinking associated with study, as opposed to now, where so often that kind of thinking is considered suspicious and real Americans are supposed to aspire to "think with their hearts."

The dialogue backs that up too. Without being stuffy or fake, characters just speak in a more sophisticated way. They are able to articulate the important points of what they're doing and debate them. One of my favorite moments of throwaway vocabulary is when someone, referring to Fred Friendly (George Clooney) tells Robert Downey, Jr. he's not being very "friendly." The man says, "No pun intended." RDJ replies, "No pun elocuted." Elsewhere McCarthy (and I agree with whoever it was--was it [livejournal.com profile] praetorianguard?--who said McCarthy deserved a nod for Best Supporting Actor--Annie Moss was great too) quotes Shakespeare's Julius Caesar and Murrow responds by quoting an earlier line in the same play. When McCarthy throws out accusations of Murrow belonging to Communist organizations and having a book dedicated to him by a socialist, Murrow puts the real facts before the audience. This means denying the association with organizations and *admitting* this famous socialist dedicated a book to him, explaining that this is a man who didn't consider political agreement the basis for association. He even reads the book dedication, trusting that the audience will understand what it says--and I must say, if it were read today I don't think people would catch it.

Not that these people represented everyone in this time period. In fact, the movie acknowledges they don't since even then, people aren't interested in "a civics lesson," they're watching $64,000 Pyramid. The movie is even framed with Murrow warning others about where TV is going (straight to Ghost Whisperer and The Simple Life, apparently).

Anyway, everybody in the movie is wonderful and the world is too. It's the smokiest movie in history, but even that's endearing--and it looks beautiful as well. (My dad started out at CBS in the 50s-he didn't work in the news but knew a lot of the guys portrayed in the movie so yeah, I was totally imagining my Dad in any CBS scene. He was first introduced to my mom in a CBS screening room :-D). David Strathairn is obviously fabulous--talk about doing a lot with a close up. Actually, the only person who kind of pulled me out of the movie was George Clooney. He didn't give a bad performance; it was just every time I saw him it was George Clooney. He looked like such a movie star, and the glasses didn't hide it. The whole cast is wonderful, though, all actors you're happy to see--Patricia Clarkson, Robert Downey, Jr., Frank Langella.

I need to give a special shout-out to Ray Wise as Don Hollenbeck. Too bad Best Supporting Actor is such a crowded category, because this was a wonderful supporting performance. I'm used to always thinking Ray Wise is going to be crazy--he's currently playing Vice President BOB on 24--but I thought he was just brilliant. From his first vulnerable, too-bright smile you just can't take your eyes off him. He's obviously got a whole story going on inside him, and I like the way the movie never tries to just use him for its message. Yes, Don fixates on the reporter attacking him, the issues of the movie are affecting him deeply. But obviously he's got other problems. He's not reduced to a victim of the paranoia, but a complicated person whose story had a different ending than Murrow's or Friendly's. You go, Ray Wise!
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


It's a pretty tight watch, too. I had to go to the bathroom really badly but wanted to stick it out. If I'd left at one point I considered running out I would have come back to find the movie over!

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He even reads the book dedication, trusting that the audience will understand what it says--and I must say, if it were read today I don't think people would catch it.

I've been thinking about this a lot, given that I'm doing cultural history, and I don't think that's actually true. I think it is less that people knew more then, than that everyone agreed what the canon was for an educated person, which one either knew or didn't know. It is less that Murrow trusted that his audience could follow him and more that he simply didn't care. There was something lost in the skewering of paternalism, in opening up the canon to someone other than Shakespeare and Milton. There had been a dominant culture; you may or may not choose to participate in it but at least everyone knew what it was. Murrow got to be condescending to you if you didn't know what he was talking about; it marked you as someone not really worth his talking to.

This isn't to say that I don't think that the opening up of the canon and the incorporation of different styles of thinking isn't a much better thing than what had gone before. I think rational thought is good for what it is good for but I don't feel it is the highest level of thought; a big chunk of anything I'm working through at any given time is intuituion and insight, both of which are pretty far from rational thought. Not to mention I think that American anti-intellectualism, which is as old as the founding fathers, wouldn't be so strong if so many intellectuals weren't so condescending to begin with.

All that said, I truly loved the film. I think Clooney has a remarkable sense of both visuals and pacing for an actor turned director and I'm really looking forward to his next film. As you say, I think he has too self-depricating a sense of himself to use himself as an actor properly; he can't fade into the background as much as he wants to which I'm sure is frustrating for him. Did you see Confessions of a Dangerous Mind?

Now I've seen Crash, Brokeback Mountain, Good Night and Good Luck and Capote, and for me? My favorite of them was Good Night and Good Luck and Capote was probably the best film of the bunch, but I was blown away at how well Brokeback Mountain realized that beautiful story. So I'm all torn and somewhat glad I didn't have to vote this year.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


There had been a dominant culture; you may or may not choose to participate in it but at least everyone knew what it was. Murrow got to be condescending to you if you didn't know what he was talking about; it marked you as someone not really worth his talking to.

Hmmm...now that you say this, that makes a lot more sense. When he was reading that dedication I honestly thought it might do more harm than good, because even if the guy is obviously speaking to Murrow as someone on "the other side," it's still a proud defense of socialism.

But you're right, there's a definitely "insider" quality to people referring to a certain canon to argue. I was just couldn't help but think that now you'd probably hurt yourself by appealing to Shakespeare at all.

Not to mention I think that American anti-intellectualism, which is as old as the founding fathers, wouldn't be so strong if so many intellectuals weren't so condescending to begin with.

Oh yes, absolutely. Though I think that at this point it sometimes seems like the anti-intellectual side is so strong I'm not sure how to counteract it. It takes a certain kind of skill to tell someone you think they're making bad choices or that you have a better solution without sounding like you're saying they're wrong.

But then, I think unfortunately what the other side usually does is just retreat into its own world. That was my big problem when I saw that play Third, is it seemed like a play claiming to be about people different from intellectuals, but the "other side" was more a fantasy of the intellectual not the real people.

Did you see Confessions of a Dangerous Mind?

I haven't! Capote is the other nominee I really want to see. I just have no desire to see Munich.

From: [identity profile] wiser-9.livejournal.com


Hello, and excuse me for butting in, but I've recently wondered about why there's so much rancor towards 'intellectuals', and the bitterness that certain people tend to depict when referring to them. I wonder as to why feelings of bitterness would exist, if there were no doubts in ones own capabilities in the first place. I find that if one were truly acceptant of themselves they would find no reason to take affront when being on the receiving end of condensation.

Yeah, this is hardly referential to your post but more like an observation on human characteristics I find hella irritating, but about Goodnight and Goodluck? I STILL need to watch it, I suppose I could have, instead of watching BBM a million times.

From: [identity profile] gillieweed.livejournal.com


The war on intellectualisim started--or was brought to the mainstream--by Nixon when he railed against "eggheads". It's been all downhill from there.

From: [identity profile] wiser-9.livejournal.com


Wow. So intellectuals were/are actually targeted against in a political ploy? Who would of thunk'd it?

Out of curiosity, what was the justification for Nixons active involvement on the 'war of intellectualisim? *Goes off to Wikipedia...*

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thanks so much for your take on GNaGL - it's still showing here (in Oz) and I'm still hoping to see it. many people have encouraged me to go and see it, saying that it wasn't without its faults but was well worth taking in.
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


Yup, that's what I would say. It has faults, but it is worth it. It's short, too, and says what it has to say well, I thought.

From: [identity profile] ishtar79.livejournal.com


I haven't seen Crash yet (nor am I in any hurry too), but the fact you wrote GNaGL meta makes me insanely happy! For me, it's hands down the best film I've seen this year (and most years!).

where so often that kind of thinking is considered suspicious and real Americans are supposed to aspire to "think with their hearts."

Rowling is secretely an American? ;)

In all seriousness though, this reminds me of a discussion I recently had on a message board about word politics. This American woman started lecturing me on the Cyprus situation, because she fancied herself an expert on account of being married to a Cypriot. Anyway, it went beyond that into mentionning the Middle East, Yugoslavia and other conflicts. See, in her opinion, the problem was that people in those places were too caught up on history, and they should just 'get over it'. She then told me how most people in the States are sick and tired about hearing about the dreary conflicts, and that chosing not to follow the news has nothing to do with being ignorant, but just a matter of not getting caught up in the details, and just moving on with life, and therefore, ultimately happy. 'Do you want to be overthinking about things you can't change, or do you want to be HAPPY?' were pretty much her exact words. Capslock and all.

I was pretty much *astounded* at her attitude. Mind you, this is the same woman who likes to hate on feminists (because they 'hate men' and make other women miserable) and on science ('because evolution is just a theory, and scientist just need to feel right all the time'), so I take all she says with a grain of salt and heavy dose of STFU, but I think she's the perfect example of what you're bringing up here. Thinking is bad/dangerous, information is a waste of time.

From: [identity profile] katarik.livejournal.com


... *baffled* *baffled baffled baffled*
Thinking bad? Information useless?
*abort. retry. fail.*

From: [identity profile] ishtar79.livejournal.com


Haha, you pretty much summed up my initial reaction.

And this is precisely why I rarely venture outside my lj/fandom comfort zone. It's a Scary Internet out there.

From: [identity profile] ishtar79.livejournal.com


Ha! So she's right! Ignorance IS bliss!

Hee! When it comes to witnessing the depths of people's stupidity, yes!

And hey, people like you and Magpie are fine examples of Americans. Have you considered starting a revolution? ;)


From: [identity profile] slinkhard.livejournal.com


Rowling is secretely an American? ;)

My first thought, too. ;)

Mind you, this is the same woman who likes to hate on feminists (because they 'hate men' and make other women miserable)

Heh, I think I know that woman! The type who says 'Oh, I've got no female friends myself, they're so bitchy and shallow, I'd much rather talk to men' and complains that 'political correctness' has gone too far.

and on science ('because evolution is just a theory, and scientist just need to feel right all the time')

LOL. Because religious people don't, by contrast, of course.

From: [identity profile] ishtar79.livejournal.com


Heh, I think I know that woman! The type who says 'Oh, I've got no female friends myself, they're so bitchy and shallow, I'd much rather talk to men' and complains that 'political correctness' has gone too far.

Dude, I know. Add to that 'sexual harassment is just a made-up feminist thing, from women who can't take a joke'.

LOL. Because religious people don't, by contrast, of course.

One of them was trying to convince me the other day that dinosaurs roamed the earth 4000 years ago, and the the planet is 6000 years old. No joke.

From: [identity profile] gillieweed.livejournal.com


I loved this film and was disappointed that Clooney did not get tapped for the screenplay. Weaving the old footage and the new ACTING! together into a smooth and gripping story is not as easy as this group made it look.

I just found out Capote is playing locally and I'd love to go see it. It's the only other nominated film I have any real interest in seeing. I have no interest in Brokeback or Munich. I also agree with "Clooney being Clooney". He did a wonderful job in front of the camera here, but it was very fortunate he took a lesser role in this one, he was distracting enough sitting at Straithairn's feet!
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com


Heh--yes, he makes everyone look under their desk hoping George Clooney is there with his little tapping pen. It really had a great screenplay, and what great use of clips!


From: [identity profile] teratologist.livejournal.com


and I agree with whoever it was--was it [info]praetorianguard?--who said McCarthy deserved a nod for Best Supporting Actor--

*cough*

I'll forgive you if you come to the party... ;p

From: [identity profile] teratologist.livejournal.com


Good, now at least one person will show up - I should resort to emotional blackmail more often.

Seriously? I'm just glad that you found the quip worth quoting.
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