I know I'm years behind the rest of the fandom, but I've just read my first super-Americanized fic and I can't stop chuckling. It was just so...odd. And it made me think about the question of naming characters as well.
I hope this just doesn't sound terribly catty, picking on ff.net-authors, but for some reason this story made me gleefully giggly. Because it's not like it's the worst thing ever on ff.net by a longshot. It's just very...what it is.
So in the story Will goes to a made-up University (Linxton, which isn’t so bad as fake-University names go). He got in on a full scholarship because of good grades, a zillion hours of community service and an excellent essay on how being the seventh child in the family means his parents were already paying off college tuition for six other siblings. It's like a Brit-picker test: how many things wrong can you find in this sentence? (Extra points if you remember Will is the youngest of nine and not seven.) Anyway, his roommate turns out to be Bran, which is a surprise, and then he discovers that Jane lives down the hall with her roommate, a Phi Nu Delta who gets notes from her secret sis “sprawled” across her door. In what may be the very first gratuitous product placement scene in a fanfic, Will sets up her DELL computer while Bran jokingly repeats DELL’s slogan, "Dude, you're getting a DELL." Is this a possible source of revenue for fanficcers? Because as I read the fic I distinctly remember feeling dissatisfied with my Gateway.
My favorite part was after the pepperoni pizza, as Bran and Will are getting ready for their first night at college (I assume there will be no slash in this piece as upon meeting his old friend Will gives Bran a "manly" hug) Bran says, "I’m going to bed. Buona Sera, Will," to which Will replies, "Buona Sera right back at ya."
Because Welsh is just SO last week. (And btw, shouldn't that be "Buona notte?")
Anyway, the thing that made me think about names is Jane's roommate, who presumably will make up the fourth of a quartet (Bran has already told us the "chick is sort of cute"). That means the main characters will probably be: Will, Jane, Bran and...Amber.
Amber. Kinda stands out like a turd in a punchbowl, dunnit? Even more so when you stick it in amongst Jane and Will's brothers and sisters: Simon, Jane, Barney, Stephen, Max, Paul, Robin, Gwen, Amber, Barbara, Mary, James, Will. Even Margaret is less jarring and she’s a mistake leftover from an earlier draft. TDiR does have one American character, actually, Will's aunt-by-marriage. But her name's Fran.
Even without something as aggressively teenie as Amber, I've just always been fascinated at names in general, and which ones go together. Like, growing up I loved the way brothers and sisters had names that fit together. My sister married a guy with two kids, and they now have two more, and the names do really pair off with each other, meaning you can almost "hear" that the second two have a different influence. (In fact, my cousin has recently had a third child and given it a name that is such a non-sequitor everyone describes it as sounding like she’d remarried.) When I got to college it seemed like the names of the people my friends had been friends with in high school went together as well. The girl from Georgia, whose name ended in "y" had friends whose names ended in "y"--they sounded like a cheerleading squad. The one from Minnesota came from a group of plain, unassuming names. My own friends and I had names that read like “greatest hits of the nineteenth century.”
But king it must be really hard if you're writing an OC to choose a name that fits in with a set canon while still being new, because in a way all the characters in a canon are part of the same family in that they came out of the same head, even though the author presumably tries to give them different-sounding names depending on their background. For instance, JKR obviously has chosen to use a lot of floral names for female characters--but not all of them. Certain types of Purebloods get constellation names. But really there's a mixture, with the most important thing being that everybody winds up having the right name, somehow. There's a reason Gregory and Vincent are bad guy names here while Neville and Ron are good guy names. There's a reason Luna works while a fanfic OC called Star might not. I wonder how people go about coming up with OC names. Presumably you would try to start with the idea of what JKR was going for with the type of characters you're writing. For instance, I think a lot of young fanfic-ers like to give their OC present-day Slytherin a cool, Goth-sounding name when really we're talking Greg, Millicent, Vincent, Theodore, Marcus. There's Severus, Draco, Bellatrix and Blaise as well, but none of those is Jade, Brianna or Sequoia.
I guess I've been thinking about this too because I'm working on two universes at the moment who are slowly being peopled, one with my partner and one by myself. They're both very different worlds so the names reflect that, but also one world comes from both our heads and the other is just mine. What's the same, though, is when you finally hit on the name that's right. Sometimes, especially with the thing that's from just my head, I'll be using one name sort of awkwardly and then finally the real name will pop out and everything will sound much more normal. Still, if anyone was ever to write a fanfic in either of these universes, I wonder how they could approach making up an OC name, since especially I know that very rarely would a name from one universe fit in the other. I'll bet there would be times where if an author read a fanfic s/he might think the name was a good one; or s/he might not like the name at all just because it's never a name s/he would choose, either because they have different associations with it or because they just don't like the sound of it.
All of which is I guess a vote for those fics about those characters who are so minor they're OCs because hey, at least you've got the name right and that's important.
Also, in case I'm not updating tomorrow, would it be obnoxious to wish
isiscolo an early birthday? Start celebrating now, it's Friday!
I hope this just doesn't sound terribly catty, picking on ff.net-authors, but for some reason this story made me gleefully giggly. Because it's not like it's the worst thing ever on ff.net by a longshot. It's just very...what it is.
So in the story Will goes to a made-up University (Linxton, which isn’t so bad as fake-University names go). He got in on a full scholarship because of good grades, a zillion hours of community service and an excellent essay on how being the seventh child in the family means his parents were already paying off college tuition for six other siblings. It's like a Brit-picker test: how many things wrong can you find in this sentence? (Extra points if you remember Will is the youngest of nine and not seven.) Anyway, his roommate turns out to be Bran, which is a surprise, and then he discovers that Jane lives down the hall with her roommate, a Phi Nu Delta who gets notes from her secret sis “sprawled” across her door. In what may be the very first gratuitous product placement scene in a fanfic, Will sets up her DELL computer while Bran jokingly repeats DELL’s slogan, "Dude, you're getting a DELL." Is this a possible source of revenue for fanficcers? Because as I read the fic I distinctly remember feeling dissatisfied with my Gateway.
My favorite part was after the pepperoni pizza, as Bran and Will are getting ready for their first night at college (I assume there will be no slash in this piece as upon meeting his old friend Will gives Bran a "manly" hug) Bran says, "I’m going to bed. Buona Sera, Will," to which Will replies, "Buona Sera right back at ya."
Because Welsh is just SO last week. (And btw, shouldn't that be "Buona notte?")
Anyway, the thing that made me think about names is Jane's roommate, who presumably will make up the fourth of a quartet (Bran has already told us the "chick is sort of cute"). That means the main characters will probably be: Will, Jane, Bran and...Amber.
Amber. Kinda stands out like a turd in a punchbowl, dunnit? Even more so when you stick it in amongst Jane and Will's brothers and sisters: Simon, Jane, Barney, Stephen, Max, Paul, Robin, Gwen, Amber, Barbara, Mary, James, Will. Even Margaret is less jarring and she’s a mistake leftover from an earlier draft. TDiR does have one American character, actually, Will's aunt-by-marriage. But her name's Fran.
Even without something as aggressively teenie as Amber, I've just always been fascinated at names in general, and which ones go together. Like, growing up I loved the way brothers and sisters had names that fit together. My sister married a guy with two kids, and they now have two more, and the names do really pair off with each other, meaning you can almost "hear" that the second two have a different influence. (In fact, my cousin has recently had a third child and given it a name that is such a non-sequitor everyone describes it as sounding like she’d remarried.) When I got to college it seemed like the names of the people my friends had been friends with in high school went together as well. The girl from Georgia, whose name ended in "y" had friends whose names ended in "y"--they sounded like a cheerleading squad. The one from Minnesota came from a group of plain, unassuming names. My own friends and I had names that read like “greatest hits of the nineteenth century.”
But king it must be really hard if you're writing an OC to choose a name that fits in with a set canon while still being new, because in a way all the characters in a canon are part of the same family in that they came out of the same head, even though the author presumably tries to give them different-sounding names depending on their background. For instance, JKR obviously has chosen to use a lot of floral names for female characters--but not all of them. Certain types of Purebloods get constellation names. But really there's a mixture, with the most important thing being that everybody winds up having the right name, somehow. There's a reason Gregory and Vincent are bad guy names here while Neville and Ron are good guy names. There's a reason Luna works while a fanfic OC called Star might not. I wonder how people go about coming up with OC names. Presumably you would try to start with the idea of what JKR was going for with the type of characters you're writing. For instance, I think a lot of young fanfic-ers like to give their OC present-day Slytherin a cool, Goth-sounding name when really we're talking Greg, Millicent, Vincent, Theodore, Marcus. There's Severus, Draco, Bellatrix and Blaise as well, but none of those is Jade, Brianna or Sequoia.
I guess I've been thinking about this too because I'm working on two universes at the moment who are slowly being peopled, one with my partner and one by myself. They're both very different worlds so the names reflect that, but also one world comes from both our heads and the other is just mine. What's the same, though, is when you finally hit on the name that's right. Sometimes, especially with the thing that's from just my head, I'll be using one name sort of awkwardly and then finally the real name will pop out and everything will sound much more normal. Still, if anyone was ever to write a fanfic in either of these universes, I wonder how they could approach making up an OC name, since especially I know that very rarely would a name from one universe fit in the other. I'll bet there would be times where if an author read a fanfic s/he might think the name was a good one; or s/he might not like the name at all just because it's never a name s/he would choose, either because they have different associations with it or because they just don't like the sound of it.
All of which is I guess a vote for those fics about those characters who are so minor they're OCs because hey, at least you've got the name right and that's important.
Also, in case I'm not updating tomorrow, would it be obnoxious to wish
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She has two Slytherin friends who are also OCs, named Saorise O'Shea (Saorise is pronouned "sear-suh") and Mina Malkin-Blotts (an obvious result of a marriage somewhere in the Malkin and Blotts families). They don't come up very often, but I don't think their names are too far outside of the norm for Potterverse. I waffled on the Malkin-Blotts, but decided it must be okay, owing to Finch-Fletchley.
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But it's a very nice sounding name anyway.
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Don't you think that's true for the other houses as well? As I said above they should all be fairly mixed. So the before quoted Justin Finch-Fletchley in Hufflepuff will be together and working with students from 'lower' classes as well, I think.
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Names are such a pain - I struggle all the time with them. In fact I was looking for a name for Draco's wife for a short story I'm writing. It was really a struggle to get something that 'sounded right'.
I work in a call centre and can almost age the people calling by the names they give.
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You probably don't want to know. The universe is basically plain old England, books written in the 70s, with kids from London, Wales and Buckinghamshire. I don't know if Phi Nu Delta has a chapter in any of those places.;-)
Names are such a pain - I struggle all the time with them. In fact I was looking for a name for Draco's wife for a short story I'm writing. It was really a struggle to get something that 'sounded right'.
I know what you mean--because you don't want it to stick out so that there's too much attention paid to it, but it has to be there--at least that's what I got from the mention of her name (which I loved because I wanted to think about the drunken New Year's kiss, myself!!).
I'm remember now when I was in college I mentioned my sister and a friend who'd known me for years thought I was making her up since I'd never mentioned her. He insisted I was lying until he asked her name and I told him, and then he believed me. His reason was he said he thought if I was going to make up a name for my fake sister, it wouldn't have been that one!
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Thanks for the comment on her name. It actually follows the train of thought you have just said about your sister being 'fake' until she had a name. Just calling the woman 'Draco's wife' didn't seem to be an option, but I didn't want a name that would take people's mind of the action.
I meant to mention something in my original reply about names seeming to fit in. I have four brothers and a sister and we all have middle names that start with 'J' with the exception of my youngest brother and it always seems strange that he's not got a 'J' name.
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Would Stella work better? It looks like a nice homage to Stella Gibbons of Cold Comfort Farm fame, doesn't it?
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Could it be Dumbledore doing things with his wand and a pair of socks that no one ever seen before?
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LOL--It's less jarring when it's the name of a high school, but sometimes kids get saddled with it too.
It probably appeals to people trying to get in touch with their non-Native American roots.
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Technically, it should probably really be something more like, "Nos da, Will bach."
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Of course, my own main association with Buonanotte is that it sounds like the song from Lady & the Tramp, "Bella Notte."
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Also, I agree with you, that naming an original character in such a way that it fits with the sound of canon names seems to be tough. Particularly in terms of the HP universe, imho, where it *seems* that any frufru name would work, because there are so many seemingly cutsie names already (Lavendar, Pansy, Draco, etc.) The difference is that in canon those kind of names either work in context with the character and/or the character's surname, or else they work because they are canon, period. If that makes sense.
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Yes, it does--perfect sense. I wonder if the real consistency there isn't that all these names are coming out of one head. Like, I doubt JKR has some formula for coming up with names. She uses a name that sounds correct to her, probably based on instinct, but the instinct itself is probably based on a lot of things she knows about her own world.
And then, you're right, canon is canon so it's presented to you as one piece. You can't just isolate one name from the rest, exactly.
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Obviously the nicotine deprivation induced total brain shut down has begun.
So before I become officially braindead: that fics sounds like tje perfect argument for the necessity of Britpickers.
And I never spared a thought for those poor authors attempting to write an OC that's not the Mary Sue. It must be difficult enough to give said OC a good, original, non-Sue characterisations. Add to that the complex dilemma of finding the just perfect name to seemlessly flow with the HP verse...
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And yeah, I was going to add that the Mary Sue authors have it a lot easier since they just have to come up with an appropriate Mary Sue name, which is more recognizeable.
Although now I'm trying to picture an entire canon world filled with Mary Sues, and an author trying to come up with an OC name that fit!
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Because let's face it, this is really a mary-sue we're talking about here, I presume, even if (perhaps) a slightly more subtle one than some. And this, I think, is relevant in terms of the choice of name. Your exposition on naming was fascinating, and it is easy to see how authors can try to choose an appropriate name for their OCs, but miss the mark because of just not being familiar with the period/place or whatever. However I do believe that when authors are choosing names for their mary-sues, they are not, as a rule, swayed by these considerations at all. They are not trying to choose a name appropriate to the original work; their primary concern is to choose a name they *like*, a name, perhaps, that they think is way cooler than their own real name, that they wish they had been called. Because by giving that name to their mary-sue, their place-stander in the fictional world, is almost as good as having it themselves.
(And hi! Sorry to be so long-winded - I struggle for the proper words to express myself consisely sometimes because I have ME/CFS. Or perhaps just because I'm stupid, who can say?)
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I know there are good het fics out there too, but it does seem sometimes that because slash takes that bit of extra thought and deals with canon characters and not OCs you have a better chance of getting quality.
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My brother had an injury several years ago that sometimes causes that problem too.
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I just love baby name books in general, though, even ones that refer to my name as "a stenographer that never learned how to use the Internet."
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Stenographer that never learned how to use the Internet...fascinating...