I've been in this mood where it's impossible for me to post anything--and naturally everybody is posting interesting things to which I then have nothing to contribute. Also I've had a headache for two days. I considered skipping my dance class but it turns out, that made it better.:-) It's a computer headache, I think, from my shoulders being tense. Yuck. Whine whine. So I'm having trouble being coherent, but if you dare,
There have been a few discussions recently that touch on motivation and context in terms of judging actions. Personally, I fall on the side of seeing actions themselves as neutral, with motivation and context being the things by which they can be judged good or bad. However--and this is the way I sometimes see this argument used in a way I think isn't really right--the point is you have to look at every action individually, and two people who agree that context and motivation matters can still disagree on how this reflects on any particular action. There are some actions where the chances of context justifying the action are pretty slim-I might be able to hypothetically come up with a weird situation where raping a child is the only thing that will prevent the earth from exploding, but in real life, child-rape is probably always going to be bad.
Anyway, it got me thinking a lot about motivation, maybe because I just tend to think about it anyway. My own motivations are usually pretty selfish--when I do the right thing it's more often because I can't find any other way to keep myself from being in the wrong, rather than being passionately enthusiastic about doing something right, if that makes sense. Basically, I think I spend more time not doing wrong than I do doing right. Like, when it comes to my job I've always felt like I needed to feel like I was contributing something positive to people, no matter how small, rather than change or fix the world.
Anyway, I tend to be hyper-self-analytical about what I'm doing, and I've usually discovered that whatever I do I probably have multiple motivations for it. That's why, I think, I often find myself at odds with the motivations assigned to characters in HP canon, since those characters also seem to be complex that way. I mean, you've got a system where being good is, at base, defined by supporting our hero, because he stands against Voldemort. But that puts the heroes in a sort of dangerous position, because it's so easy for them to use "fighting Voldemort" or “helping Harry” as a blanket motivation for everything. (I think James Potter is an example of this, for instance, without the Harry part.) But I think if you look at their actions, it's much more complex. The “official” motivations don't always match up with what they actually do...which is why I like to really look to the action to figure out the true motivation. Two people can do the same thing with completely different motivations, and there are so many layers to any given motivation anyway. There's what the person is trying to achieve, and for whom, and then there's who they are on a primal level and want they are trying to get for themselves or think they're doing. It's very…complicated. People are. Yes. Quite. Indeed.
Also, I'm watching Bullshit, which is doing conspiracy theories and ESP. I will never understand conspiracy theorists. Well, I do, but it's just so sad. Everybody needs to accept the fact that the world is chaos, and amazing things can be done by a whack job with a lot of nerve and a little luck. It really doesn't take a huge conspiracy to kill a president or destroy some buildings. In fact, keeping those conspiracies under wraps would be a lot more impossible than those things.
Secondly, on psychics, I'm going to randomly say that I generally don't like the psychic!detective premise, like on that new show, Medium. Just as a viewer, I can't stand it because it's so fake in terms of plot. Why does the ghost show up and tell the psychic just enough for it to be cool, but not anything useful like who murdered them, where and why? Give me Numb3rs please!
There have been a few discussions recently that touch on motivation and context in terms of judging actions. Personally, I fall on the side of seeing actions themselves as neutral, with motivation and context being the things by which they can be judged good or bad. However--and this is the way I sometimes see this argument used in a way I think isn't really right--the point is you have to look at every action individually, and two people who agree that context and motivation matters can still disagree on how this reflects on any particular action. There are some actions where the chances of context justifying the action are pretty slim-I might be able to hypothetically come up with a weird situation where raping a child is the only thing that will prevent the earth from exploding, but in real life, child-rape is probably always going to be bad.
Anyway, it got me thinking a lot about motivation, maybe because I just tend to think about it anyway. My own motivations are usually pretty selfish--when I do the right thing it's more often because I can't find any other way to keep myself from being in the wrong, rather than being passionately enthusiastic about doing something right, if that makes sense. Basically, I think I spend more time not doing wrong than I do doing right. Like, when it comes to my job I've always felt like I needed to feel like I was contributing something positive to people, no matter how small, rather than change or fix the world.
Anyway, I tend to be hyper-self-analytical about what I'm doing, and I've usually discovered that whatever I do I probably have multiple motivations for it. That's why, I think, I often find myself at odds with the motivations assigned to characters in HP canon, since those characters also seem to be complex that way. I mean, you've got a system where being good is, at base, defined by supporting our hero, because he stands against Voldemort. But that puts the heroes in a sort of dangerous position, because it's so easy for them to use "fighting Voldemort" or “helping Harry” as a blanket motivation for everything. (I think James Potter is an example of this, for instance, without the Harry part.) But I think if you look at their actions, it's much more complex. The “official” motivations don't always match up with what they actually do...which is why I like to really look to the action to figure out the true motivation. Two people can do the same thing with completely different motivations, and there are so many layers to any given motivation anyway. There's what the person is trying to achieve, and for whom, and then there's who they are on a primal level and want they are trying to get for themselves or think they're doing. It's very…complicated. People are. Yes. Quite. Indeed.
Also, I'm watching Bullshit, which is doing conspiracy theories and ESP. I will never understand conspiracy theorists. Well, I do, but it's just so sad. Everybody needs to accept the fact that the world is chaos, and amazing things can be done by a whack job with a lot of nerve and a little luck. It really doesn't take a huge conspiracy to kill a president or destroy some buildings. In fact, keeping those conspiracies under wraps would be a lot more impossible than those things.
Secondly, on psychics, I'm going to randomly say that I generally don't like the psychic!detective premise, like on that new show, Medium. Just as a viewer, I can't stand it because it's so fake in terms of plot. Why does the ghost show up and tell the psychic just enough for it to be cool, but not anything useful like who murdered them, where and why? Give me Numb3rs please!
Nemesis Indeed, you are 87% erudite, 62% sensual, 29% martial, and 70% saturnine. |
This daughter of the Greek Goddess Nyx was initially thought of as a harsh force of opposition. However, she was later softened to represent the feeling of just resentment or righteous anger against those who committed crimes with apparent impunity, or who had inordinate good fortune. Her name, Nemesis, means "she who distributes or deals out". And that she did. As she was the one directing human affairs in such a way as to maintain equilibrium of happiness and unhappiness, she could bring about losses and suffering if you made the impression of being “too” happy. Being the one who checked extravagant favours by Tyche (or Fortuna, as the Romans called her), she was regarded as an avenging or punishing divinity, so it only makes sense that the Goddess of Punishment, Poena, was an attendant of Nemesis. Despise all this suffering and vengeance, she is also said to have been as beautiful as Aphrodite. Her attributes were, among others, a rein, a sword, or a balance. |
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Ki-lin You scored 60% Esotericism, 24% Power, and 4% Malevolence! |
A mythical being of Chinese mythology, comparable with the Western unicorn. Ki-lin personifies all that is good, pure, and peaceful. It lives in paradise and only visits the world at the birth of a wise philosopher. The unicorn, which can become one thousand years old, is portrayed as a deer with one horn, the tail of an ox, the hooves of a horse, and a body covered with the scales of a fish. It is one of the four Ling. |
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Mind you, I'm sure the other Mythologies included in those tests are equally buggered-it's just the Greek Mythology I'm most familiar with.
Sorry for the drive-my rantlet. It's just a peeve of mine.
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It's kind of funny I wound up as this, though. I mean, vengeance is so not anything I do. I think it was just because I liked horror movies so much!
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My own motivations are usually pretty selfish--when I do the right thing it's more often because I can't find any other way to keep myself from being in the wrong, rather than being passionately enthusiastic about doing something right, if that makes sense.
I honestly think the world would be a better place if more people went about things that way? I'd rather come home with a hundred tiny 'Here is a way I did not make a jerk of myself today' and know that I did not, in fact, make a jerk of myself. And maybe even some where I was nice? Than one big, shiny 'This is a wonderful thing I did!' that I might end up forgetting, or have it turn out that while I thought I was right, from someone else's view I was utterly wrong.
I don't think I can make any claim on clarity right now, either.
So. Trying again. Passionately striving for some greater good, to me? Always seemed kind of. Well. Attention-grabbing. Like the person is doing good for the purpose of having some person/entity notice that they're being good.
Whereas trying not to do something you know is wrong is more dependant on your own, internal deifnitions of right/wrong. And is more concerned with not making a creep of one's self.
And considering how much all the little things and experiances tend to add up in one day? I still stick with the bit about coming home knowing I have not been a jerk. At least on purpose.
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Sometimes I really do think so. I mean, I admire people who have personalities where they're naturally led to do things for others--it's a good thing we have those people in the world. But that's harder to sustain, and as you said, so often it can just become being a crusader who wants to change the world however you can, even if it makes people miserable. People who are always doing for others usually are, at base, very full of pride in how good they are. It's kind of a challenge as they grow up to learn to really be selfless, or at least be aware of their real motivations.
But on the other side, as challenging as it is to be really heroic, sometimes it can be a challenge to just do the right thing. Some situations make it really really easy to be a jerk without having to pay for it.
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A not-so-random offering in the non-depressing category? I heard this on the radio driving home yesterday morning. NPR commentary, by Frank Deford (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4647602) At least one person who succeded in not being a jerk.
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Also it doesn't hurt that he has a lovely speaking voice. ^^
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I've never heard of Numb3rs...but I'm rather fond of a good conspiracy theory. That is mainly because of the entertainment value the theorists provide.
No one tells psychics anything useful. All those seances, and there's been very little information of any value whatsover about life 'on the other side.' As someone once said, the main message from the spirit world seems to be carry your umbrella at all times, you never know when it's going to rain.
I hope your headache is gone for good. :-)
(I am Isis, who sounds very cool indeed.)
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I've never heard of Numb3rs...but I'm rather fond of a good conspiracy theory. That is mainly because of the entertainment value the theorists provide.
You have to admire the ones that make for a good story, at least. Maybe that's why I can annoyed by ones that aren't doing a good job. One of the things they said on the show was there was this guy who said, "No one can convince me that...." (I forget what he was talking about--9/11, Kennedy's assasination, the moon landing, whatever.) They said people get this idea that that's the attitude of the skeptic when really the skeptic doesn't refuse to be convinced, he demands to be convinced. Different thing.
I've never heard of Numb3rs...but I'm rather fond of a good conspiracy theory. That is mainly because of the entertainment value the theorists provide.
I love this show. American TV, in its quest to find as many ways as possible to solve crime on TV, finally got around to math.:-) It's a show about two brothers (Rob Morrow and David Krumholtz), one's an FBI agent, one's a mathetmatics professor, and they use math theories to catch criminals. It's really cool. I can't do math at all, but I love hearing about it.
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Well if you really get down to it, I think every action can be seen as selfish. Like if you are passionately enthusiastic about doing something right, you still want to do it because it makes you feel good. Not that you do it only for your own feeling better about yourself, you probably do it for those people you are helping too, but nevertheless, if there wasn't something about it that felt good for you too, you probably wouldn't do it.
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My motivations are usually doing whatever I please that is legal and not 'wrong' in my eyes, and in situations where I like none of the available options, whatever that hurts me the least or makes the most sense. But since my definition of 'wrong' is sometimes significantly stricter and sometimes very lax compared to the norm, depending on the issue, I've been seen as both very ethical and unethical :/
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But since my definition of 'wrong' is sometimes significantly stricter and sometimes very lax compared to the norm, depending on the issue, I've been seen as both very ethical and unethical :/
Oh, I can so relate to that!